Don't forget one of the classic windows user questions: Who is this General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? <g> -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On Behalf Of D.BALE@handleman.com Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 12:01 PM To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Subject: Re: New names Great story, John! I have seen this happen, too. At the risk of beating this thread to death (too late?), I would like to chime in. IMO, companies do NOT choose to buy AS/400-iSeries over other platforms for "great" programs, primarily because I think most good applications are ported to multiple platforms nowadays, but rather they choose AS/400-iSeries because it is a rock-solid platform with a damned good OS that hardly ever goes down and, oh yes, it is one of the platforms that happens to run the software package they're interested in. (O.K., maybe not necessarily in that order of priority.) Another dead horse beating here, but, companies with a strong need for high uptime and secure systems that choose platforms other than AS/400-iSeries do so out of ignorance or with very deep pockets. So, Leif, what is a "great program"? Does it matter how stable the OS is for an app to rated "great"? If the app has all the bells and whistles, and presents windows of charts and tables, and sings multimedia and streaming video, and, by gosh, the users LOVE it, but the danged thing runs on an OS that requires frequent reboots and scandisks to fix lost clusters and suffers BSOD's at the most inopportune times, can you still rate the application "great". Some people might, but I couldn't. Not if my business depended on it. That doesn't even touch the issue of the people who have to manage the system and fielding all of the support calls - "my PC re-booted", "I've got this blue screen that says 'fatal exception'...", "My windows are all locked up". There's a lot more I could add, but it has already been touched upon in this thread. Dan Bale IT - AS/400 Handleman Company 248-362-4400 Ext. 4952 -------------------------- Original Message -------------------------- It is a sad state of affairs when greatness has come to mean just doing what you are supposed to do. If it just runs, it's great. Of course, in ordinary human experience we are all just waiting for Godot. Not too much excitement is need nor wanted, c.f. that old Chinese curse: "may you live in exciting times". Leif ------------- Leif baby, I'm with you. Believe me. I felt embarrassed writing my post. Imagine, Software that runs 24/7/365 by itself wins the gold cup !!!! I once worked in a shop(Many years ago, the old days) where if a program you were responsible for blew up for the same reason twice, you were history. Really, it was a service bureau and things that blew up were not a just a fun conversation around the coffee pot. It was serious. Well, MS (I personally believe) conditioned the masses to a much much lower level of expectations. I recently sat next to the help desk and the most often heard recourse for a PC failure was "Have you tried rebooting?" PC apps it seems have been given a WIDE latitude of failure. HOWEVER , if invoices ( a system run on the AS/400) is late, ALL HELL to pay. If you think I'm being hard on the PC apps, I'm sorry. It's been my personal experience. For example, We bought a company that had a Shop Floor system written on the PC in PowerBuilder. The users loved it. GUI, pretty, etc. We came in with our green screen app to replace it and they thought it was "3rd world app from 1970" (it was written two years ago in pure RPGIV). Here's the upshot. Our system runs TRUE 24/7/365 Lights out operation. All transactions are mirrored to another machine(headquarters) If any thing happens with the AS/400 at the plant we can switch them in 10 minutes. Never missing a beat, Next roll number, next pallet number, etc. "Like you never left" Three years and we haven't missed a transaction out of MILLIONS. And when we were doing the first walk thru their site and seeing their existing PowerBuilder system, They proudly were showing it off, and I casually asked, "Why is the operator writing down the transaction on a legal note pad after entering it into your system?" We were told by operator after operator on each machine that (off the record) that they could trust any thing in the system cause it locked up a couple of times a day and had to be rebooted. Losing transactions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But They loved the GUI. So, I agree with you Leif. (If I see you in New Orleans I'll buy you a beer in CUDS). I'm still waiting for GODOT also. "The Optimist believes that this is the best of all possible worlds, and the Pessimist is afraid that he's right" Respectfully John Carr +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: email@example.com +--- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: firstname.lastname@example.org +---
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