RE: Death of the RPG Programmer -- MIDRANGE-L

Not sure. Is it good or bad? It was very interesting to read about
though. Just seems odd that a company should compete with itself. 

Someone said to me the other day that "the AS/400 is the machine that
can do everything", so why would someone want to hide that under a bush?
AS/400's for everyone, thats what I think. And throw in everything
except the kitchen sink for free! 

-----Original Message-----
From: booth@martinvt.com [mailto:booth@martinvt.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 2:11 AM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: RE: Death of the RPG Programmer


So?  What is your conclusion from the studying Colin?  Is that 
competition 
a good thing, or bad?
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Booth Martin
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http://www.MartinVT.com
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Colin Williams <colin.williams@technocrats.co.uk>
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06/14/2000 04:30 AM
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Im doing an IT course, and part of that looks into the history of the
IBM PC and IBM itself. 
Whats clear is that the divisions within IBM seem to compete with each
other, as much as they do with other companies.

-----Original Message-----
From: Al Barsa, Jr. [mailto:barsa2@ibm.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:26 PM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: RE: Death of the RPG Programmer


At 09:50 AM 06/13/2000 -0500, you wrote:

When you listen to IBM talk about our awesome Java Performance on the 
AS/400, and how they benchmark it against everything else under 
the sun (I 
could have chosen to use a capital "S", but decided to be more 
generic.), 
what you don't hear them talk about is how well Java performs 
compared to 
RPG.  RPG, for traditional processing, knocks the socks off 
Java, but IBM 
is scared to say so.

If IBM ever chose to market the AS/400, they would not only 
devastate the 
remainder of the computer industry, but also the remainder of 
IBM, and they 
know it!

Al


> >My own opinion is that it is a dip following on from Y2K, but I think
> >its a dip that RPG will not recover from. Cross-train now!
>
>Many of the consultants in the past were actually staffing positions. 
>Companies
>did this for the most part because they were not able to find 
enough permanent
>people. That seems to have been completely reversed with many former
>consultants taking full time positions.
>
>I think many companies have had their IT budgets trimmed this 
year after the
>Y2K expenditures of the past few years. The money available is 
not targeted
>at ERP but rather "e" technologies.
>
>Because of the increase in staff, I think a lot of companies 
are allowing 
>their
>staff to develop web projects rather than bring in consultants do this.
>
>As far as cross training goes, we should be constantly doing 
this anyway.
>Unfortunately, I see where many RPGers have been doing their 40 a week
>and nothing more. I think that is one reason why RPG IV was so slow to
>catch on and why tools like Code/400 are so underused. We all know that
>Brad hates Java, but he will also be the first to tell you to 
learn RPG IV,
>HTML, JavaScript, etc. This includes how to use the C-APIs from RPG for
>CGI, IFS, etc.
>
>Is Java and WebSphere going to be the glorious solution? Maybe 
- maybe not.
>Should you learn them? Definitely. I've become certified in 
Java 2. I've taken
>courses in WebSphere and practiced with it. Right now I'm 
reading a book on
>Oracle. I've bought books on EJBs, Apache webserver and UML. I recently
>read the book "Code Complete" that is referred to on these lists.
>
>I don't believe the RPG programmer is dead. I do believe that 
the days where
>RPG programmers can be complacent and not learn anything new are dead.
>If you are not good at RPG IV, then that is one area that you 
should start on
>immediately. Get the book "Java for the RPG Programmer" 
regardless if you
>are going to learn Java or not. E-business is not just a 
passing fancy. There
>are 2 good books that you need to get. Brad Stone's "e-RPG" and Bob
>Cancilla's "e-business with AS/400". Get familiar with XML as 
I think this
>technology will continue to emerge. Learn a GUI development 
tool so that
>you understand how that works (VB, VA/RPG, Java, etc.).
>
>If you don't subscribe to a trade rag (i.e. News/400 or 
MidrangeComputing),
>then start. Read it each month, all articles. Try out the code 
to see what
>it does and how it works.
>
>Joe Teff
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