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William, If you call Install Shield, they will probably say no. I would say yes, but with the qualification that it would be work. Express has several exit points defined. These exit points can call either an EXE or a DLL. This program could then build and issue the FTP script required to get the save file up to the 400....perhaps even to do the restore & run a setup. You would have to be careful, and getting results back from the FTP is less than straightforward (so I have heard), but I suspect, with some work, you could do what you ask. Note: The EXE or DLL should probably NOT be written in varpg as this requires runtime support. Also, the exit pgm is stored uncompressed, so size is an issue. C/C++ on the other hand can be built with no runtime requirements and a very small executable size (Our fax over email mini-viewer is a fully self contained Windows C++ program, no dll's required and is only 70k). Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com [mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Reger, Bill Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 8:47 AM To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com' Subject: RE: Why not use VA/RPG Bob, Is it possible to use Install Shield to install Internet downloaded save files to the AS/400? William K. Reger Senior Project Manager Levitz Furniture Corporation Phone: (561) 994-5114 E-mail: breger@levitz.com <mailto:breger@levitz.com> -----Original Message----- From: Bob Crothers [mailto:bob@cstoneindy.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 8:30 AM To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Subject: RE: Why not use VA/RPG Booth, I do not know anything about what VARPG does for installs. However, I do know about installs in the PC world. Check out Install Shield Express (http://www.installshield.com/express/ ). It is very easy to use, no "coding" involved, just fill out some forms and you have a "standard" install shield install (which most commercial packages use these days) and even an un-install. And it will generate the autorun for cd based installs. For pure disk based or email based installs, we use a combination of a WinZip generated self extracting zip file & Install Shield. With the WinZip self extractor, you can tell it to automatically unzip when executed and run a program (setup.exe). Works pretty good. If you download our Fax Server/401 demo at www.faxserver401.com/download.htm , you can see an example of how this all works. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com [mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of boothm@earth.Goddard.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 5:59 PM To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Subject: Re: Why not use VA/RPG I burned a CD with the version as I wanted it installed and circulated the CD. It had autorun and all, but my experience is mid-range, not PC so it was hard for me. It worked but now I want to experiment with an install on the LAN. I think that'll work but of course those working off the net or off dial-up can't use that choice. Silent install is supposed to work but I never could get it to actually work correctly. My feeling is that VARPG is good for RPG programmers wanting to produce some snazzy stuff. But they have to know the PC world or have friends there in order to get the packages properly installed. _______________________ Booth Martin boothm@earth.goddard.edu http://www.spy.net/~booth _______________________ "Scott P. Johnson" <sjohnson@highsmith.com> Sent by: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com 01/18/2000 08:29 AM Please respond to MIDRANGE-L To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com cc: Subject: Re: Why not use VA/RPG This is the way I am doing updates: You have the normal Install dirs for first time installs. Like normal software these can lag a 'point version' or so. So in other words they do not get updated all the time. Separately you have Update dirs. These are where the real updates come from. Basically you make your changes in VARPG, test, and then copy what is in the RT_Win32 dir to the Update dir. The update is now available to the general public. Then there is the question of how to get the update to the user. If you have done LAN installs, you can just copy the updated files into the LAN dirs of the app. I do this on the big app we have. On a smaller locally installed app, I am using a simple batch file that is manually kicked off. It checks time stamps on the files and only copies what has been updated. I am in the process of trying to figure out a way to automate this whole procedure. I have a couple of ideas, but nothing sound yet. As a side note, when a new version of VARPG comes out, I usually spend some time doing re-installs to get the latest version of the VARPG runtime. I think this is something that cannot really be gotten around. -- ------------------------------------------------------ Scott P. Johnson Microcomputer Development Specialist IBM Certified Specialist - AS/400 RPG Programmer Highsmith Inc. W5527 Hwy 106, PO BOX 800 Fort Atkinson, WI 53538-0800 TEL: 920-563-9571 FAX: 920-563-7395 sjohnson@highsmith.com www.highsmith.com ------------------------------------------------------ > Not sure I really understand. Why wouldn't you just put some kind of > current version checker in the program (load current version in a > dataarea on the AS/400 and check against a constant in the program). > > You know, I bet that would work. A good idea. Scott Johnson did > something like that I think. I tried it but couldn't figure out how to > upgrade to the next version all at once everywhere, on every PC. +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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