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Debbie, In a message dated 11/29/99 12:31:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, dpanco43@ix.netcom.com writes: > I have a question that has been plaguing me. Say you have a software vendor > who sells you a package and you have so many days to test the software that you > received. During your test period you find some problems, bring it to the vendor's > attention and they get you the fixes. Now, say that the test period has expired > and during some further testing, you come across some other problem that was > obviously resident in the original code. You bring it to your attention, but they now > tell you that if you want the problem fixed, you will have to pay them to fix it > because time spent now comes under consulting fees which are billable to you. <<snip>> Short answer number one, "Why do you think Bill Gates is the richest man in the world?" Short answer number two, "Why do you think you spend so much time at the end of every month straightening out your IBM bill?" Short answer number three, "Why do you think I asked David to let me form BPCS-L on midrange dot com?" SSA is doing _much_ better now, but this was originally a forum on which to receive _real_ BPCS and AS/Set answers without having to prove that you didn't cause the problem in the first place. Long answer, you're not outdated in your thinking. To my mind, the problem is threefold and here are the answers and inherit problems: 1. Customers, perhaps softened by Micro$oft, perhaps not, _allow_ this sort of behavior to continue in the first place. Complain, it probably won't help, but it just might if the vendor is worthwhile in the first place. Refuse to pay, but paying anyhow is often cheaper than litigation, which further propagates this behavior by vendors. Litigate, see the latter. Buy something else -- unfortunately, there is often no alternative. 2. References weren't checked. Sometimes not even asked for. Unfortunately, given references often aren't using the product as you intend. Some get a kickback for giving a good reference even if they're not using the product. Some just think they'll get some sort of concession from the vendor to fix _THEIR_ problems if they give _YOU_ a good reference. Some just wouldn't recognize a problem if it bit them in the butt. 3. The fine print in the contract wasn't reviewed by an attorney versed in software law. Big companies have a legal department, USE IT if they've bothered to hire a software licensing specialist (if they haven't, they should). Small companies can look to industry, BBB, and local chambers of commerce for references to such attorneys. Buying Word, WordPro, or WordPerfect when you're the only one that's read that fine print might be OK. Spending $10K or more under the same circumstances is not. Not all vendors behave as you have described, but far too many do. I once had to argue a bill where I'd called a technician _BACK_ to give him the solution to the problem that I had originally _REPORTED_! I often gripe about AS/400 application software being twenty years behind the times, but it is at least _solid_ for the most part. When it isn't, those vendors ought to be ostracized -- report it here, report it to "the trades", create an "I Hate JunkSoft(tm)" web site, create an informational web site, but do _SOMETHING_. If you let it lie, it's only going to get worse. _FAR_ too many people with no software experience other than rebooting their machine three or more times a day see the miracle of software IPO's and think that they can make money in this game without a good idea -- invariably, burning the customers is the only way to make money on a bad idea... JMHO, Dean Asmussen Enterprise Systems Consulting, Inc. Fuquay-Varina, NC USA E-mail: DAsmussen@aol.com "The greatest pleasure in life is doing what others say you cannot do." -- Walter Bagehot +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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