RE: Age discrimination

Hmmmmmmmm... and does that "back end" EVER come?

Too many shops are run this way...
Sometimes I think it's just the nature of the beast.
Do I hear a call for more IS resources?
Nah... never... well, maybe someday.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Bipes [mailto:ChrisB@cross-check.com]
Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 7:46 AM
To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
Subject: RE: Age discrimination


At 37 and on OS400 since 89 I am not far behind you.  But that Bull story
was told to me by my father when I was a teenager.  The company I work for
prefers to hire less experienced programmers and have them learn their way.
"Get it done and clean up on the back end."  What a pain in my As*.  I am
slowly trying to teach them the necessity of spending a little time up front
planning and letting the programmers see the WHOLE picture so they can
design a better solution to their business needs.  There is a lot to say for
experience in business as well as technical background.

Christopher K. Bipes            mailto:ChrisB@Cross-Check.com
Sr. Programmer/Analyst          mailto:Chris_Bipes@Yahoo.com
CrossCheck, Inc.                http://www.cross-check.com
6119 State Farm Drive           Phone: 707 586-0551 x 1102
Rohnert Park  CA  94928         Fax: 707 586-1884



-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Day [mailto:gregday@starcity.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 4:57 PM

My kids remind me that I'm getting old, at the tender age of 43. I've been
doing the AS400 gig since 1988, and I'm sure it's because I love the thing
so much, and still learn so much that I don't feel old at all. The OS
matures (just like me).  Seriously,  my manager (about the same vintage as
me) was an AS400 techo some years back, and very good too.  I know for sure
that he really appreciates old heads, in his IT department.  He doesn't
like that CTRL_ALT_DEL mentality.  Did I tell you the one about the old
bull and the young bull sitting on top of their hill, overlooking their
"flock" of cows........(another time maybe)

Greg Day




"Ken & Gloria Cox" <kgc@swbell.net> on 08/07/99 10:28:19

Please respond to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com

To:   MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
cc:    (bcc: Greg Day/SC/StarCity)
Subject:  RE: Age discrimination




I believe age discrimination certainly exists, and will return in
the year 2000. But as for right now they need all of us.
Be carefull, know the job your applying for. Only claim the
tools you need to get the job done with a liitle knowledge on the
side. Many As400 people now reside under managers who know
little or nothing about the AS400. In fact they do away with
the as400 in a second if they could find an nt system that
in their dreams could work as well. Many managers do not
want anyone on their staff who shines better than they do.

The NT staff will sleep happy tonight dreaming of Bill Gates
and his future promises. For the AS400 staff that day has
been here for a while. But be carefull they probably won't
let you use it.  Really I can send E-mail from the AS400.
NT Response.  But why would you want to.

By the way has Bill returned his AS400's yet.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
[mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Schenck, Don
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:56 AM
To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
Subject: RE: Age discrimination


Off the cuff: I can easily believe this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Boucher [mailto:RBoucher@stanpac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 8:08 PM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: Age discrimination


While browsing the ZDNET article (a link posted by Al Barsa) I found this:

A study claiming no shortage of IT professionals and rampant age
discrimination in the industry.

Anyone experience this sort of thing?
Any thoughts on what is being claimed here?

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.html#tth_sEc1
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