RE: "RPG isn't cool" (was: Re: IBM Secret)

Now there's an idea for COMMON, a free t-shirt with your bag!

Eric Kempter
CommAir Mechanical Services, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From:   Colin Williams [SMTP:Williamsc@technocrats.co.uk]
Sent:   Tuesday, May 11, 1999 1:03 AM
To:     'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
Subject:        RE: "RPG isn't cool" (was: Re: IBM Secret)

Yeh - Free T-shirts. Now thats "cool".

-----Original Message-----
From: Stone, Brad V (TC) [mailto:bvstone@taylorcorp.com]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 8:37 PM
To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
Subject: RE: "RPG isn't cool" (was: Re: IBM Secret)


Those are really good points, Barabara.  But when I got done reading it
I
thought the following:

I'd rather the company who's system I am using spent their money on
developement/enhancements, etc. than on free pizza and t-shirts.  When
it
comes down to it, where IBM has been putting their money with the AS/400
shows.

An AS/400 t-shirt would be pretty cool, though.. ;)

Bradley V. Stone
Taylor Corporation - OASIS Programmer/Analyst   
bvstone@taylorcorp.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeVries, Barbara [SMTP:BDeVries@cfund.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 1:07 PM
> To:   'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
> Subject:      RE: "RPG isn't cool" (was: Re: IBM Secret)
> 
> 
> Hans wrote:
> 
> Now, let's assume that being "cool" is a desirable
> quality in a programming language.  If we were to try to
> change RPG from an "uncool" language to a "cool" language,
> is there a single easy thing we could do to improve the
> language?
> 
> 
> Barbara writes:
> I don't believe that the structure of the language or it's ability or
the
> AS400's ability has anything to do with RPG's and AS400's lack of
> coolness.
> IBM doesn't promote it's certification.  Nobody cares, whereas MCSE is
> super-cool.
> IBM doesn't have big shows at hotels for free every month to make
people
> feel warm and part of a family.
> IBM doesn't give membership cards to an Insider's Club.
> IBM doesn't have evening presentations for free with pizza at their
> corporate office to help professionals use their products.   IBM
doesn't
> give free cool T-shirts, meet at the movie theater, give pins, pens,
and
> doesn't help with training materials except for their outrageously
> expensive
> classes.  There are no certification clubs.
> It isn't cool because of attitude.  It isn't cool because it is not
> attainable by youth with time and eagerness, but no money.
> This lack of "coolness" hurts us professionally, as we lose
opportunity to
> inferior products, services, and paradigms, in some cases (not all).
> Just a comparison from where I sit.  I wish things were different, but
> they're not.
> My only recourse as a professional is to straddle the fence.  
> 
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