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I think we agree more than you realize. I think it's hard to develop a test that measures the abilities and knowledge necessary for success in programming (or substitute other occupation of your choice.) If I needed certification to get a job, I'd probably do what was necessary to pass the test, but the anarchist in me would begrudge it every step of the way. Perhaps because I work in a shop where it's kind of a tradition to train totally inexperienced people for entry level programming positions, I'm not sure that possession of the *required* degrees etc. is a reasonable requirement. I've seen operators and people whose only previous programming experience was high school classes and/or hobby programming do very well as programmers once they were given the chance. When we interview for P/A or higher positions, we generally ask for a certain number of years of experience, but not much else. Experience is no guarantee of competence, either, but that's another story. -----Original Message----- From: R. Bruce Hoffman, Jr. [mailto:rbruceh@ibm.net] Sent: Saturday, May 08, 1999 7:12 AM To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Subject: Re: IBM certification, especially RPG Joel Fritz wrote: > > The delivery truck driver at a place I used to work was something of a > philosopher. One of his printable sayings was "School don't make you > smart." No, school don't. But paying attention in school does. Applying yourself in school does. And finally, when you PASS THE TEST, others are assured that you have at least some base level of competence and ability to think at a certain level, be that High School, College or Post Graduate. Just having the cert does not prove that you can do the job. We still interview people with the *required* college degrees don't we? There is more to putting the right person in the job than *just* a piece of paper, but we want the paper as a basis, don't we? -- =========================================================== R. Bruce Hoffman, Jr. -- IBM Certified AS/400 Administrator -- The sum of all human knowledge is a fixed constant. It's the population that keeps growing! +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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