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Sure, I see it all the time. It's a naturally occuring degradation of a system's design caused by years of application "Enhancement" and "Maintenance". Some of the major contributors to this de-evolution are: 1) Source replication -- Somone wants a report just like xxx except for yyy. I often see program source that is nearly identical (one or two lines changed in the whole program). Later, when making changes to one program, you must remember to make changes in the replicated version as well. 2) Too many cooks -- Contractors, consultants, staff programmers. It's a revolving door and EVERYONE takes a turn at modifying a system. Lets face it, most programmers have deficiencies, some are just plain BAD, and the more folks fiddling with it, the more chance of having problems. 3) No shop coding standards -- Without a guide as to what's acceptable or not, one might be tempted to "learn" techniques at the expense of the application's design. I could go on and on, but it's just a sad fact of life that old code suffers from aging problems....... eric.delong@pmsi-services.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: IBM pushing Java Author: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > at INET_WACO Date: 3/20/99 12:06 PM I have a question along these lines: I refer to much of the old code that I see as being brittle. I don't know exactly why I started using that term but it does seem appropriate. Touch something, and something breaks somewhere else. change a line of code and suddenly some whole section starts behaving differently. Have others noticed this? Does this word make sense to others, or am I speaking badly? It is important to me because I feel we must constantly fight against this brittleness or suddenly we have applications that are no longer useful or repairable. Its usually at this point that I hear the "We need some PCs to do this" speech. In <199903200957_MC2-6EB2-7239@compuserve.com>, on 03/20/99 at 09:56 AM, John Carr <74711.77@compuserve.com> said: >BTW, With that management attitude, How come you still aren't useing >RPGII ? And I bet they are the same Management who complain about >their applications are getting older. >John Carr >EdgeTech -- ----------------------------------------------------------- boothm@ibm.net Booth Martin ----------------------------------------------------------- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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