• Subject: Re: New PC - What MS OS?
  • From: Lucas Haag <lhaag@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:26:43 -0600 (CST)

How could I work my S/36 into the mix??
Thanks,
Lucas

At 09:47 PM 3/3/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Yes you can.  Peer is Peer in both cases.
>
>You can even throw in an AS/400!
>
>Lucas Haag wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know if you can do simple peer to peer networking with NT like
>> you can in 95/98 this is an important feature to me because I dont want to
>> have to buy NT $erver.
>> Thanks,
>> Lucas Haag
>> 
>> At 02:30 PM 3/3/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Agree with James !
>> >
>> >I'm running NT 4.0 on a Toshiba notebook (we did this about a year before
>> it had
>> >Toshiba's blessing...)
>> >
>> >DiskKeeper DEFINITELY makes a difference. I didn't set it up to run
>> automatically
>> >and whenever my machine starts to bog down I run it and the improvement IS
>> >noticeable !
>> >
>> >Plug-n-Play has been called Plug-n-Pray by a number of us here too, for SOME
>> >time...
>> >
>> >My cohort was installing a PCMCIA modem card in his Toshiba (with NT 4.0)
>> and it
>> >crashed and started issuing OS/2 error messages and pointing to OS/2
code !!! A
>> >bad drive turned out to be the problem.
>> >
>> >I would NEVER touch Win9x after NT !!!
>> >
>> >It DOES like memory, of course if you look at the box, Office 97 Pro has
>> FINALLY
>> >started owing up to what memory the apps "might" need !!!
>> >
>> >I am running 144MB of memory and things are GREAT !!
>> >
>> >Chuck
>> >
>> >James W Kilgore wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jeff,
>> >>
>> >> IMHO, NT is preferred, but there is a cost.
>> >>
>> >> Certain hardware will not work under NT.  There is a hardware
>> >> compatibility list available on the net.  This is a factor in the cost
>> >> of switching.  Remember NT is OS/2 (with a new face).  OS/2 is picky,
>> >> therefore NT is picky.
>> >>
>> >> For those that do not believe that NT is OS/2, check your directory.
>> >> You will find OS2.exe and you can read/write 2.88mb diskettes.  Before
>> >> everyone gets their jets all fired up, NT does run under it's own kernel
>> >> but whenever an OS/2 function is required, it gracefully punts the the
>> >> OS that can actually do the job.
>> >>
>> >> The upside to 95/98 would be products like Cybermedia First Aid that
>> >> fixes a 95 Reg file.  Not available under NT AFAIK.  NT does not come
>> >> with a defrag, but search for Diskeeper Lite and you can find a low
>> >> priced add-on.
>> >>
>> >> NT can deal with multiple NIC's and IP address' if that matters to you.
>> >> Win 95/98 don't AFAIK.
>> >>
>> >> As far as 16 bit 95 applications like Word Perfect, load Win 95/98, load
>> >> Word Perfect, load NT over Win 95/98 and it will run.  NT will not let
>> >> it install.  You must have the disk FAT16.  Now this is an old rule and
>> >> it may not apply for Win98 to NT but did for Win95 to NT.
>> >>
>> >> Now for you Roger:
>> >>
>> >> Roger Pence wrote:
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> > Here are other drawbacks that quickly come to mind...
>> >> >
>> >> > 3. Iffy twinax connectivity. NT won't recognize many twinax cards
(or any
>> >> > other hardware-dependent cards).
>> >>
>> >> I've found this to be true of 16bit ISA cards, especially with sound
>> >> cards that want to grab the available IRQ.  Stealth cards may not create
>> >> this problem.  Pulling sound cards and modems to get a twinax card to
>> >> work has become standard routine for us.
>> >>
>> >> > 4. No plug and play support (which, although maligned for Win9x has
>> saved me
>> >> > lots of time and grief)
>> >>
>> >> My brother-in-law is the data center admin for a local CC and he calls
>> >> it "plug and pray". ;-)
>> >>
>> >> > 5. Memory! Win9X reaches diminishing returns past 64MB, not NT. With
>> NT, get
>> >> > 128MB!
>> >>
>> >> True, for some reason you will actually degrade a Win95 box if you have
>> >> more than 64k.  For NT, the more the better.  OS/2 will run is 32mb a
>> >> whole lot better than NT.  IMHO, 64k for NT is a start point.
>> >>
>> >> > 6. No disk defrag included--get one and use it
>> >>
>> >> I've used Diskeeper Lite and to tell you the truth, it runs defrag every
>> >> month so I can't tell if I've had an improvement because I've never had
>> >> a slowdown.  But I feel better knowing it's been done.  Now this is on
>> >> the workstation, not the server.  On the server side, if it fragments
>> >> enough that you can actually measure the response and run a trial
>> >> Diskeeper and actually measure the improvement it may be beneficial
>> >> beyond personal satisfaction of having run a useless MS required task
>> >> that no other OS requires.
>> >>
>> >> > 7. Spotty app compability. Generally apps work across platforms, but
>> >> > sometimes there is still a stickler. Lotus ScreenCam was my latest
headache
>> >> > (Adobe Type Manager before that)
>> >>
>> >> Curious, are these 16bit apps?  Haven't used either myself.
>> >>
>> >> > 8. OS cost. For one workstation, the upgrade isn't a big deal. For lots,
>> >> > though, bring your fat checkbook.
>> >>
>> >> Now Roger, don't quibble about acquisition cost vs cost of ownership.
>> >> Isn't that the popular arguement of an AS/400 over an NT box? ;-)  But
>> >> let's face it, it's easier to tell a committee that it's only $200 each
>> >> vs saying it's $20k, one time, for all of them.
>> >> >
>> >> > One other thought, MS has backed off its NT-on-the-desktop strategy.
There
>> >> > is a wave of discontent building for very fat desktops and MS has
seen the
>> >> > light. Don't be bullied into thinking Win9X goes away anytime soon).
>> >> >
>> >> > Having said all that, if you can live within its constraints, I
agree with
>> >> > Bob that NT is the way to go.
>> >>
>> >> I believe that MS has made it clear that 95/98 is a consumer product and
>> >> NT is a commercial product.  IMHO, pick accordingly.
>> >>
>> >> James W. Kilgore
>> >> email@James-W-Kilgore.com
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Email:  lhaag@csb.swnebr.net
World Wide Web:  http://www.swnebr.net/~lhaag
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