• Subject: Re: New PC - What MS OS?
  • From: Lucas Haag <lhaag@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:20:56 -0600 (CST)

Does anyone know if you can do simple peer to peer networking with NT like
you can in 95/98 this is an important feature to me because I dont want to
have to buy NT $erver.
Thanks,
Lucas Haag


At 02:30 PM 3/3/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Agree with James !
>
>I'm running NT 4.0 on a Toshiba notebook (we did this about a year before
it had
>Toshiba's blessing...)
>
>DiskKeeper DEFINITELY makes a difference. I didn't set it up to run
automatically
>and whenever my machine starts to bog down I run it and the improvement IS
>noticeable !
>
>Plug-n-Play has been called Plug-n-Pray by a number of us here too, for SOME
>time...
>
>My cohort was installing a PCMCIA modem card in his Toshiba (with NT 4.0)
and it
>crashed and started issuing OS/2 error messages and pointing to OS/2 code !!! A
>bad drive turned out to be the problem.
>
>I would NEVER touch Win9x after NT !!!
>
>It DOES like memory, of course if you look at the box, Office 97 Pro has
FINALLY
>started owing up to what memory the apps "might" need !!!
>
>I am running 144MB of memory and things are GREAT !!
>
>Chuck
>
>James W Kilgore wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> IMHO, NT is preferred, but there is a cost.
>>
>> Certain hardware will not work under NT.  There is a hardware
>> compatibility list available on the net.  This is a factor in the cost
>> of switching.  Remember NT is OS/2 (with a new face).  OS/2 is picky,
>> therefore NT is picky.
>>
>> For those that do not believe that NT is OS/2, check your directory.
>> You will find OS2.exe and you can read/write 2.88mb diskettes.  Before
>> everyone gets their jets all fired up, NT does run under it's own kernel
>> but whenever an OS/2 function is required, it gracefully punts the the
>> OS that can actually do the job.
>>
>> The upside to 95/98 would be products like Cybermedia First Aid that
>> fixes a 95 Reg file.  Not available under NT AFAIK.  NT does not come
>> with a defrag, but search for Diskeeper Lite and you can find a low
>> priced add-on.
>>
>> NT can deal with multiple NIC's and IP address' if that matters to you.
>> Win 95/98 don't AFAIK.
>>
>> As far as 16 bit 95 applications like Word Perfect, load Win 95/98, load
>> Word Perfect, load NT over Win 95/98 and it will run.  NT will not let
>> it install.  You must have the disk FAT16.  Now this is an old rule and
>> it may not apply for Win98 to NT but did for Win95 to NT.
>>
>> Now for you Roger:
>>
>> Roger Pence wrote:
>> >
>>
>> > Here are other drawbacks that quickly come to mind...
>> >
>> > 3. Iffy twinax connectivity. NT won't recognize many twinax cards (or any
>> > other hardware-dependent cards).
>>
>> I've found this to be true of 16bit ISA cards, especially with sound
>> cards that want to grab the available IRQ.  Stealth cards may not create
>> this problem.  Pulling sound cards and modems to get a twinax card to
>> work has become standard routine for us.
>>
>> > 4. No plug and play support (which, although maligned for Win9x has
saved me
>> > lots of time and grief)
>>
>> My brother-in-law is the data center admin for a local CC and he calls
>> it "plug and pray". ;-)
>>
>> > 5. Memory! Win9X reaches diminishing returns past 64MB, not NT. With
NT, get
>> > 128MB!
>>
>> True, for some reason you will actually degrade a Win95 box if you have
>> more than 64k.  For NT, the more the better.  OS/2 will run is 32mb a
>> whole lot better than NT.  IMHO, 64k for NT is a start point.
>>
>> > 6. No disk defrag included--get one and use it
>>
>> I've used Diskeeper Lite and to tell you the truth, it runs defrag every
>> month so I can't tell if I've had an improvement because I've never had
>> a slowdown.  But I feel better knowing it's been done.  Now this is on
>> the workstation, not the server.  On the server side, if it fragments
>> enough that you can actually measure the response and run a trial
>> Diskeeper and actually measure the improvement it may be beneficial
>> beyond personal satisfaction of having run a useless MS required task
>> that no other OS requires.
>>
>> > 7. Spotty app compability. Generally apps work across platforms, but
>> > sometimes there is still a stickler. Lotus ScreenCam was my latest headache
>> > (Adobe Type Manager before that)
>>
>> Curious, are these 16bit apps?  Haven't used either myself.
>>
>> > 8. OS cost. For one workstation, the upgrade isn't a big deal. For lots,
>> > though, bring your fat checkbook.
>>
>> Now Roger, don't quibble about acquisition cost vs cost of ownership.
>> Isn't that the popular arguement of an AS/400 over an NT box? ;-)  But
>> let's face it, it's easier to tell a committee that it's only $200 each
>> vs saying it's $20k, one time, for all of them.
>> >
>> > One other thought, MS has backed off its NT-on-the-desktop strategy. There
>> > is a wave of discontent building for very fat desktops and MS has seen the
>> > light. Don't be bullied into thinking Win9X goes away anytime soon).
>> >
>> > Having said all that, if you can live within its constraints, I agree with
>> > Bob that NT is the way to go.
>>
>> I believe that MS has made it clear that 95/98 is a consumer product and
>> NT is a commercial product.  IMHO, pick accordingly.
>>
>> James W. Kilgore
>> email@James-W-Kilgore.com
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