• Subject: Re: New PC - What MS OS?
  • From: email@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (James W Kilgore)
  • Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:47:56 -0800
  • Organization: Progressive Data Systems, Inc.

Yes you can.  Peer is Peer in both cases.

You can even throw in an AS/400!

Lucas Haag wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if you can do simple peer to peer networking with NT like
> you can in 95/98 this is an important feature to me because I dont want to
> have to buy NT $erver.
> Thanks,
> Lucas Haag
> 
> At 02:30 PM 3/3/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Agree with James !
> >
> >I'm running NT 4.0 on a Toshiba notebook (we did this about a year before
> it had
> >Toshiba's blessing...)
> >
> >DiskKeeper DEFINITELY makes a difference. I didn't set it up to run
> automatically
> >and whenever my machine starts to bog down I run it and the improvement IS
> >noticeable !
> >
> >Plug-n-Play has been called Plug-n-Pray by a number of us here too, for SOME
> >time...
> >
> >My cohort was installing a PCMCIA modem card in his Toshiba (with NT 4.0)
> and it
> >crashed and started issuing OS/2 error messages and pointing to OS/2 code 
>!!! A
> >bad drive turned out to be the problem.
> >
> >I would NEVER touch Win9x after NT !!!
> >
> >It DOES like memory, of course if you look at the box, Office 97 Pro has
> FINALLY
> >started owing up to what memory the apps "might" need !!!
> >
> >I am running 144MB of memory and things are GREAT !!
> >
> >Chuck
> >
> >James W Kilgore wrote:
> >
> >> Jeff,
> >>
> >> IMHO, NT is preferred, but there is a cost.
> >>
> >> Certain hardware will not work under NT.  There is a hardware
> >> compatibility list available on the net.  This is a factor in the cost
> >> of switching.  Remember NT is OS/2 (with a new face).  OS/2 is picky,
> >> therefore NT is picky.
> >>
> >> For those that do not believe that NT is OS/2, check your directory.
> >> You will find OS2.exe and you can read/write 2.88mb diskettes.  Before
> >> everyone gets their jets all fired up, NT does run under it's own kernel
> >> but whenever an OS/2 function is required, it gracefully punts the the
> >> OS that can actually do the job.
> >>
> >> The upside to 95/98 would be products like Cybermedia First Aid that
> >> fixes a 95 Reg file.  Not available under NT AFAIK.  NT does not come
> >> with a defrag, but search for Diskeeper Lite and you can find a low
> >> priced add-on.
> >>
> >> NT can deal with multiple NIC's and IP address' if that matters to you.
> >> Win 95/98 don't AFAIK.
> >>
> >> As far as 16 bit 95 applications like Word Perfect, load Win 95/98, load
> >> Word Perfect, load NT over Win 95/98 and it will run.  NT will not let
> >> it install.  You must have the disk FAT16.  Now this is an old rule and
> >> it may not apply for Win98 to NT but did for Win95 to NT.
> >>
> >> Now for you Roger:
> >>
> >> Roger Pence wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Here are other drawbacks that quickly come to mind...
> >> >
> >> > 3. Iffy twinax connectivity. NT won't recognize many twinax cards (or any
> >> > other hardware-dependent cards).
> >>
> >> I've found this to be true of 16bit ISA cards, especially with sound
> >> cards that want to grab the available IRQ.  Stealth cards may not create
> >> this problem.  Pulling sound cards and modems to get a twinax card to
> >> work has become standard routine for us.
> >>
> >> > 4. No plug and play support (which, although maligned for Win9x has
> saved me
> >> > lots of time and grief)
> >>
> >> My brother-in-law is the data center admin for a local CC and he calls
> >> it "plug and pray". ;-)
> >>
> >> > 5. Memory! Win9X reaches diminishing returns past 64MB, not NT. With
> NT, get
> >> > 128MB!
> >>
> >> True, for some reason you will actually degrade a Win95 box if you have
> >> more than 64k.  For NT, the more the better.  OS/2 will run is 32mb a
> >> whole lot better than NT.  IMHO, 64k for NT is a start point.
> >>
> >> > 6. No disk defrag included--get one and use it
> >>
> >> I've used Diskeeper Lite and to tell you the truth, it runs defrag every
> >> month so I can't tell if I've had an improvement because I've never had
> >> a slowdown.  But I feel better knowing it's been done.  Now this is on
> >> the workstation, not the server.  On the server side, if it fragments
> >> enough that you can actually measure the response and run a trial
> >> Diskeeper and actually measure the improvement it may be beneficial
> >> beyond personal satisfaction of having run a useless MS required task
> >> that no other OS requires.
> >>
> >> > 7. Spotty app compability. Generally apps work across platforms, but
> >> > sometimes there is still a stickler. Lotus ScreenCam was my latest 
>headache
> >> > (Adobe Type Manager before that)
> >>
> >> Curious, are these 16bit apps?  Haven't used either myself.
> >>
> >> > 8. OS cost. For one workstation, the upgrade isn't a big deal. For lots,
> >> > though, bring your fat checkbook.
> >>
> >> Now Roger, don't quibble about acquisition cost vs cost of ownership.
> >> Isn't that the popular arguement of an AS/400 over an NT box? ;-)  But
> >> let's face it, it's easier to tell a committee that it's only $200 each
> >> vs saying it's $20k, one time, for all of them.
> >> >
> >> > One other thought, MS has backed off its NT-on-the-desktop strategy. 
>There
> >> > is a wave of discontent building for very fat desktops and MS has seen 
>the
> >> > light. Don't be bullied into thinking Win9X goes away anytime soon).
> >> >
> >> > Having said all that, if you can live within its constraints, I agree 
>with
> >> > Bob that NT is the way to go.
> >>
> >> I believe that MS has made it clear that 95/98 is a consumer product and
> >> NT is a commercial product.  IMHO, pick accordingly.
> >>
> >> James W. Kilgore
> >> email@James-W-Kilgore.com
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