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Hey How many of you like the "Something bad happened, I'm gonna blow away all your work ... OK?" messages from PC's ? Do you think having a job log to look at is a thing that makes the AS/400 a little easier to debug or track down problems? Well Ed is asking for your opinion on this in a new forum. http://forums.infoworld.com/threads/get.cgi?76669 John Carr ---------------------------------- Dumb diagnostics Posted by: siteadm Date posted: Fri Oct 2 14:49:11 PDT 1998 Today's GUI-based, object-oriented programming environments are supposed to make life a little easier for application developers. But at least a few readers feel that's not always the case, particularly when they find themselves confronted with a cryptic error message that tells them only that they've bombed out without offering any clues about what the problem is. "Today I got another of those wonderful Windows error messages," one veteran systems analyst recently wrote me. An inscrutable line of gobbledygook was telling him that there was a bug somewhere in 400 lines of C code and that he should click "OK" to acknowledge that the message was the extent of the diagnostic help he was going to get. "No, it is not 'OK.' I have to fix this, and to do that I need to know what is wrong," he complained. The frequency with which he finds himself in such situations makes the systems analyst hearken back to the pre-GUI days of purportedly less programmer-friendly environments. "At least the message would give you 'dismiss' and 'explain' options," he said. "I choose 'dismiss' when I understand the problem and need no further assistance. When I press the 'explain' key, I want the program to display where the problem is, just like the old Fortran compiler used to." While he agrees today's tools can save the programmer time in many ways, the systems analyst feels too many of them fall down when it comes to helping diagnose errors. "Instead of keying all those commas and parens, we just point and click on screen using our GUI editor and -- voila -- the required code is generated." That's fine as long as there's no problem, he says. "My complaint is that the finished product becomes a black box. And when a black box fails to operate, we are in the dark, so to speak." The systems analyst says his basic point is that proper diagnostics should be a part of every computer program. "I maintain that a computer program must either process the user's input -- or produce an explanation regarding any errors. It is not acceptable for any program to bomb out, go into a loop or wait state, or crash the system just because the user's input is unsuitable for whatever reason." Our systems analyst is of course basing his point of view on the tools he knows, so it's entirely possible that your experiences have been quite different. So share your perspective on this with us. How do you feel about today's programming tools compared to those in the Fortrans and Cobols? Do you find yourself too often confronted with those inscrutable error messages, or do the tools you use give you the diagnostics you need? Ed Foster No responses. Use respondto add one. +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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