Re: members

[Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hear, hear.  I dislike being forced to do things via Op's Navigator.  I have 
newbies setup
400's at remote locations.  I tell them to plug it in, stick in a tape and run 
the tape.  The tape
configures the 400.  Op's navigator makes this tougher to do.  And the GUI 
significantly
increases the training and implementing time.  The person now has to know 
Windows, GUI,
Client Access, and what you're trying to get them to install versus you just 
telling them to
do this, complete it on time and get a home life.
I also get the impression that IBM is abandoning the Object Oriented design of 
OS/400
and going to the muddle of PC objects stored in the IFS somewhere.




shc@flybynight.com.au on 09/28/98 09:48:51 AM
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Hello AL,

I'd just like to add my voice to this.  I also think it is foolish to implement 
DB features only via SQL.  A 
native interface should always be provided.  Doing so may help sites who do not 
wish to embrace SQL to avail 
themselves of newer technology.

Also SQL in V4R3 has an ALIAS keyword allowing you to nominate the specific 
member of a DB file.  No more 
OVRDBF calls in SQL, ODBC, JDBC, etc.  For example: CREATE ALIAS MyLib/MyAlias 
FOR Lib/File (Member)

Another thing, does anyone else hate the direction IBM is taking with Ops 
Navigator?  I don't mind its 
existence but I do dislike being _forced_ to configure an AS/400 from Windows.  
Especially if I have embarked 
on a corporate window-less strategy (there are other choices).  If I choose an 
AS/400 I am forced to obtain, 
install, and maintain at least one windows box just so I can configure DHCP, 
etc.  I don't expect an Ops Nav 
for OS/2 or Mac (although a Java version might be the proper solution) but I do 
expect a 5250 interface to 
configure *all* the AS/400 components.

Regards,
Simon Coulter.

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> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 98 16:15:13 -0400
> From: "Al Barsa, Jr." <barsa2@ibm.net>
> To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> Reply-To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: members

> 
> At 12:46 PM 9/27/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >Someone said the other day that members are dead.  IBM has seen that no
> one else is going down the members road, so they are pulling back and
> offering no further support beyond what we see right now.
> >
> >Does this fit with what others have heard?   
> 
> The multi-membered concept was a System/38 invention, and has proven
> awkward to use, easy to mess up in production.  IBM could have just backed
> off of this as being strategic, but there were two problems:
> 
> 1.    SQL (as first developed off of the System/38 - AS/400) did not address
> multi-members as a strategy.
> 2.    System/38 - AS/400 heavily embraced multi-members for source.  
> 
> SQL will likely never embrace multi-members.  IBM is not doing anything in
> the database that not addressed by SQL, and (IMHO very foolishly) starting
> to implement some new features only through SQL!
> 
> I have addressed on many occasions with IBM on the concept of
> re-architecting source files into a different animal, but there are very
> many complications.  Keep in mind that sources files can be updated from
> many other places than SEU/SDA/RLU and TM/38; any HLL program can process
> source files!
> 
> Al
> 
> Al Barsa, Jr. - Account for Midrange-L
> Barsa Consulting, LLC.        
> 400 > 390
> 
> Phone:        914-251-9400
> Fax:  914-251-9406

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