RE: OO Hybrids (was WANTED - RPG TALEN...)

[Hans Boldt <boldt@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Why am I so down on C++?  In a typicall OO app, objects are created
and destroyed with great frequency.  In C++, you have to deal with much
of the overhead of object creation and destruction yourself.  As a result,
many of the program defects introduced during coding relate to memory
management - dangling references, memory leaks, etc.  (Actually, you
could write perfect C++ code and still have problems since many C++
systems themselves have memory leaks in their run-time code!)

Java, on the other hand, uses a "Garbage Collection" system to manage
memory.  As long as some variable references an object, the storage
for that object is kept.  But when no variable references the object, Java
knows that the storage is available for reuse.  This is perhaps the biggest
single contributor to increased programmer productivity in Java.

>From my own personal experience, all of the problems with managing
storage in C++ was what discouraged me the most.  C++ programming
seemed too much like work.  Since Java manages storage on it's own,
you are free to concentrate on the problem at hand.  It's like the difference
between assembler language and RPG.

BTW, I've heard that the GC system in the AS/400's JVM is one of the
best in the industry.

Cheers!  Hans

Hans Boldt, ILE RPG Development, IBM Toronto Lab, boldt@ca.ibm.com




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Hans,

I agree that Object Oriented and Object based are 2 very
different things.  I've been a big OO supported for a long time.

Can you expand on your statement "hybrids like C++ cause more
problems than they're worth."?

Do you say this because you can still do straight line code in
C++?

Granted, my first C++ program was really a C program that used
some of the MFC collection classes.  My Second C++ program had
some classes of my own, but still wasn't true OO.  By about the
5th or so program, I was doing OO.

>From an academic point of view, I agree that programs 1 thru 4
where violating everything they hold near and dear to their
hearts.  However, it allowed me to "ease" into OO, and did show
me the value of OO.  And kept my boss happy in that I was still
productive during my learning curve.

Now days, I am an OO fanatic!  In fact, that is why I'm still
pissed at Toronto for not allowing VAC++ to target V3R1!  It
leaves me stuck in the ILE/C world.  And after falling in love
with C++, ILE/C sucks.  As a result, my code is a mixture of
ILE/C and RPG.

Regards,
Bob Crothers
Cornerstone Communications




-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Boldt [SMTP:boldt@ca.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, May 29, 1998 7:21 AM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: RE: WANTED - RPG TALENT--Global issue We need to Act on
this

Stan wrote:
<snip>
(IMHO, hybrids like
C++ cause more problems than they're worth.)

Cheers!  Hans

Hans Boldt, ILE RPG Development, IBM Toronto Lab,
boldt@ca.ibm.com
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