RE: job testing, Here we go again. -- MIDRANGE-L

Kenney,
     I would like to add my 2 cents worth, if that's ok. IMO the post   
asking for a source for job testing and salary ranges wasn't out of line.   
It seems that we are so gun shy, that we aren't going to allow the   
headhunters to say anything at all and there are times when they do have   
something to contribute. I would think that posts like this and the ones   
from vendors where they have something to contribute and identify   
themselves with the product they are promoting all have a place here. I   
do agree with the guidelines (if I didn't, I'd go start my own). So, in   
conclusion (I bet you thought I'd never get to one), let us all be a   
little bit patient and let the moderator do his job. After all, that is   
what we are paying him so handsomely to do (BG).

Bill Megenity

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From:  kenney@uwindsor.ca
Sent:  Tuesday, April 28, 1998 8:42 AM
To:  MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject:  Re: job testing, Here we go again.

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My first thoughts on reading this post, is here we go again, First you   
have
the "1" post that violates the guidelines followed by the twenty or so
"Flames" telling the person.  Couldn't we all  just  ignore it and leave   
it
to the list owner to take care of it. He has been doing a good job in the
past and it would save us all having to delete the twenty or so followup
post.

  I know by sending this post I am doing exactly what I am complaining
about, but hopefuly it will save us all time in  the long run .

 Just my two cents, no follow up comments  required.






HAVEAJOB@aol.com on 04/27/98 11:48:51 PM




To:   MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
cc:   MIDRANGE-JOBS@midrange.com (bcc: Michael Kenney/University of
      Windsor)
Subject:  job testing





A little help, if I may be so humble to ask (read BEG!!!!)...
I have a client company of mine that needs to hire several new
developers/programmers/analysts.
Several factors:  they are a fairly large shop, they are in a very low   
cost
of
living area, their salaries are MUCH lower than average, their area is   
hard
to
recruit people into, they have salary equity concerns within their shop,
they
are a consortium essentially not for profit so new budget dollars every
year
are hard to come by, etc.  the bottom line is that they are losing people
through attrition and losses to other companies.  They recognize their
problems but just can't seem to get thier salaries up to par fast enough,
mainly due to the conservative nature of their business and the very   
upper
level management's failure to address this issue in times past.
To combat the problem, they have decided that hiring new graduates and
getting
them ingrained into their community seems to be the best way to go.  They
have
a virtual monopoly on their business and do not anticipate serious market
share problems to arise from the training lag (even though they are   
working
50+ hour weeks now and are severely understaffed).  The concern is more
from a
service issue to their clients than a loss of business.  They will be
hiring
both BS and AS candidates with backgorunds in MIS and Computer Science.
That's where I come in; the HR department has asked me to help them with
salary expectations and additional information.  While I see what my   
other
client companies often hire new graduate for, I'd appreciate any   
feedback.
My
questions:
1.  What is a reasonable starting salary for new graduates with no
experience?
They will hire both BS and AS candidates.  Target area is the South   
Central
US.  Positions will include a variety of skills and platforms; they use   
an
AS/400, C/S UNIX box, and VSE mainframe in their applications.  Languages
will
primarily be COBOL/COBOL400/Microfocus COBOL but there will be some   
Visual
Basic and PC development.
2.  I'm sure there are services that provide fundamental skills level
testing.
I know of only one or two companies.  Can anyone point me in the right
direction, either URL. address, or phone number of companies that will   
test
specific computer programming knowledge skills?
TIA,
Dave Brown
800-239-1410 x2205
haveajob@aol.com -or- haveajob@airnet.net
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Windsor  ON   N9B 3P4
Canada
(519)253-3000 extension  2754
KENNEY@UWINDSOR.CA


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