RE: Model 600, part of history? -- MIDRANGE-L

That could affect the pricing, as you can "upgrade" from a 200 to a 600,
but not to a 170.



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leo Lefebvre [SMTP:leo@tug.on.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 12:31 AM
> To:   MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> Subject:      Re: Model 600, part of history?
> 
> Thanks Neil for your FAST and complete answer.
> 
> I forgot to mention, though, today my client is running a 200-2031.
> 
> 
> Neil Palmer wrote:
> 
> > Leo,
> >
> > With the 170's there are few reasons these days to consider a 600 or
> > S10.
> > A few differences between a 600 or S10 and a 170:
> >
> > MAIN STORAGE
> > 512MB max on the 600/S10.  1024MB on the 170.
> >
> > DISK CAPACITY
> > With V4R2 600/S10 can take the 17.54GB disks, for total of 175.4GB
> (vs.
> > 85.8 on 170 which can't use 17.54GB units).
> >
> > TAPE
> > Only reason here would be if you wanted an internal 8mm tape.
> 600/S10
> > can, 170 can't
> > On the other side of the argument, the 170 (expansion unit/sidecar
> > required) can attach 2 external tapes (1/2" Reel or Cart, 8mm),
> 600/S10
> > only 1.
> >
> > TWINAX ADDRESSES
> > 600 unit can have 188 vs. 68 on base 170 (BUT the 170 "sidecar" can
> add
> > another 160 for 228 address total).
> > Only 28 twinax addresses on the S10 server.
> >
> > COMMUNICATION / LANS
> > 9 comm lines on a 600/S10, 12 on a 170.
> > 3 LAN ports on a 600/S10, 6 on a 170.
> > 1 ATM adapter on a 600/S10, 3 on a 170.
> > 1 IPCS on a 600/S10, 2 on a 170.
> >
> > As for going to a 2159 today and upgrading to a 2164 next year.
> > Advantages are:
> > 2159 is in IBM's P05 Software Group, vs. P10 for a 2164, so you
> wouldn't
> > need to pay the extra for IBM software for a year.
> > Also, you would save the cost of the extra charge for the 2164
> processor
> > for a year until you needed to upgrade (and you may find the 2159 is
> > giving the performance you need and could defer this upgrade a
> little
> > longer).
> > And the higher the processor model, the higher the maintenance
> charge.
> >
> > What model 600 are they looking at in comparison to the 2159/2164
> > scenario, a 2129 ?
> > If that's the case, and they mainly need interactive performance,
> the
> > 600 could be a better priced solution as you could stay with the
> 2129
> > which is at the P05 Software Group.  If you were looking at a 2134
> or
> > 2135 you would be back at the P10 group, like the 170-2164.  (You
> could
> > step up one processor level on the 170, to the 2160, and stay at the
> P05
> > group).
> > However, if interactive performance wasn't quite so critical, and
> you
> > could take advantage of the faster batch/client server performance
> in a
> > 170, the 170 may be the better deal.
> >
> > Performance comparisons (CPW for V4, interactive/batch - followed by
> IBM
> > Software Group):
> >
> > 600-2129        22.7/x          P05
> > 600-2134        32.5/x          P10
> > 600-2135        45.4/x          P10
> > 600-2136        73.1/x          P20
> >
> > 170-2159        16/73           P05
> > 170-2160        23/114          P05
> > 170-2164        29/125 *        P10
> > 170-2176        40/125 *        P10
> > 170-2183        67/125 *        P20
> >
> > * Client Server/Batch performance constrained by memory/DASD
> maximums.
> > If your application has heavy CPU bound tasks, you may be able to
> take
> > more advantage of the unconstrained ratings of the 2164/2176/2183
> which
> > are 210/319/319 respectively.
> >
> > Neil Palmer                                AS/400~~~~~
> > NxTrend Technology - Canada   ____________          ___  ~
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> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Leo Lefebvre [SMTP:leo@tug.on.ca]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 1998 8:58 PM
> > > To:   MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> > > Subject:      Model 600, part of history?
> > >
> > > A Business Partner told my client, today, that the model 600 was
> > > history
> > > and he should be looking at a model 170 instead?
> > > Any thruth to that statement?
> > >
> > > Is there any advantage to get a model 170-2159 today and move to a
> > > 170-2164 next year, as opposed to getting the 2164 today?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > --
> > >
> > > Leo Lefebvre
> > > leo@tug.on.ca
> > > Toronto Users Group for Midrange Systems
> > > Visit our home page at <http://www.tug.on.ca>
> > > Ph: (416) 606-5960   ---   Fx: (416) 495-0100
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> 
> Leo Lefebvre
> leo@tug.on.ca
> Toronto Users Group for Midrange Systems
> Visit our home page at <http://www.tug.on.ca>
> Ph: (416) 606-5960   ---   Fx: (416) 495-0100
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