Re: Model 600, part of history?

[Leo Lefebvre <leo@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Neil for your FAST and complete answer.

I forgot to mention, though, today my client is running a 200-2031.


Neil Palmer wrote:

> Leo,
>
> With the 170's there are few reasons these days to consider a 600 or
> S10.
> A few differences between a 600 or S10 and a 170:
>
> MAIN STORAGE
> 512MB max on the 600/S10.  1024MB on the 170.
>
> DISK CAPACITY
> With V4R2 600/S10 can take the 17.54GB disks, for total of 175.4GB (vs.
> 85.8 on 170 which can't use 17.54GB units).
>
> TAPE
> Only reason here would be if you wanted an internal 8mm tape.  600/S10
> can, 170 can't
> On the other side of the argument, the 170 (expansion unit/sidecar
> required) can attach 2 external tapes (1/2" Reel or Cart, 8mm), 600/S10
> only 1.
>
> TWINAX ADDRESSES
> 600 unit can have 188 vs. 68 on base 170 (BUT the 170 "sidecar" can add
> another 160 for 228 address total).
> Only 28 twinax addresses on the S10 server.
>
> COMMUNICATION / LANS
> 9 comm lines on a 600/S10, 12 on a 170.
> 3 LAN ports on a 600/S10, 6 on a 170.
> 1 ATM adapter on a 600/S10, 3 on a 170.
> 1 IPCS on a 600/S10, 2 on a 170.
>
> As for going to a 2159 today and upgrading to a 2164 next year.
> Advantages are:
> 2159 is in IBM's P05 Software Group, vs. P10 for a 2164, so you wouldn't
> need to pay the extra for IBM software for a year.
> Also, you would save the cost of the extra charge for the 2164 processor
> for a year until you needed to upgrade (and you may find the 2159 is
> giving the performance you need and could defer this upgrade a little
> longer).
> And the higher the processor model, the higher the maintenance charge.
>
> What model 600 are they looking at in comparison to the 2159/2164
> scenario, a 2129 ?
> If that's the case, and they mainly need interactive performance, the
> 600 could be a better priced solution as you could stay with the 2129
> which is at the P05 Software Group.  If you were looking at a 2134 or
> 2135 you would be back at the P10 group, like the 170-2164.  (You could
> step up one processor level on the 170, to the 2160, and stay at the P05
> group).
> However, if interactive performance wasn't quite so critical, and you
> could take advantage of the faster batch/client server performance in a
> 170, the 170 may be the better deal.
>
> Performance comparisons (CPW for V4, interactive/batch - followed by IBM
> Software Group):
>
> 600-2129        22.7/x          P05
> 600-2134        32.5/x          P10
> 600-2135        45.4/x          P10
> 600-2136        73.1/x          P20
>
> 170-2159        16/73           P05
> 170-2160        23/114          P05
> 170-2164        29/125 *        P10
> 170-2176        40/125 *        P10
> 170-2183        67/125 *        P20
>
> * Client Server/Batch performance constrained by memory/DASD maximums.
> If your application has heavy CPU bound tasks, you may be able to take
> more advantage of the unconstrained ratings of the 2164/2176/2183 which
> are 210/319/319 respectively.
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Leo Lefebvre [SMTP:leo@tug.on.ca]
> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 1998 8:58 PM
> > To:   MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> > Subject:      Model 600, part of history?
> >
> > A Business Partner told my client, today, that the model 600 was
> > history
> > and he should be looking at a model 170 instead?
> > Any thruth to that statement?
> >
> > Is there any advantage to get a model 170-2159 today and move to a
> > 170-2164 next year, as opposed to getting the 2164 today?
> >
> > TIA
> > --
> >
> > Leo Lefebvre
> > leo@tug.on.ca
> > Toronto Users Group for Midrange Systems
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> >
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Leo Lefebvre
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Toronto Users Group for Midrange Systems
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