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From: Jim Franz <jfranz@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: midrange-jobs <midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: longevity




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i know of one cobol insurance firm up north that has had five offers
rejected these last sixty days
Frank - statements like this don't really tell us anything.... it could have
een 5 offers for a
enior analyst @ 30k a year (a joke) so they can then tell their Congressman
o up the H1B limits... or it could be legitimate offers, but your statement
oes not clarify.
My daughter (a new college grad in a non-computer field) has been telling me
or years that
rgramming students (she hangs with semi hacker wannabes) were switching
ajors because
heir own professors are advocating the outsourcing of "code writing" and
ave these new
ourses like "managing IT in a globalized world...".
For my own work, I think my last "no work anywhere" day was a recession
uring Reagan's
dministration (about 30 days). It's all been consulting, and each job is
easured in years, although
any started as xx months. I never saw any benefit in "hopping" around, in
act made it a point
ot to hire them. Recruiters may be having a tough time, but lots of
rogrammers are not.
or what purpose would a happy programmer leave a stable job??? To risk your
inancial
ealth for 10k more??
do see that corporate training has taken a nose dive, and that is just
hort sighted management,
nd if I were an employee - I'd leave for that....
im franz
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rom: "frank thomas" <hmsco@xxxxxxx>
o: "midrange-jobs" <midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
ent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:25 PM
ubject: longevity

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well dave, the five year "gut " of the i/t industry from 01-06 has scared
enough "stable" i/t workers, almost to the point that recruiters are
having difficulty in getting "employed" folks to change, and yet there are
still thousands sitting at home trying to get back into i/t and to no
avail.

i already see the shortage of as400 developers , most of my placements are
taking three/four months to fill. the old days of hearing the "ninety day
probation" period to see if both the employer/employee like each other may
be long over, cause i'm finding the "employed employee "
will no long take that risk to see if each are happy with the other.
mainly because of the mass layoff for such a long time So , with very
few new "trainees " brought in these last five years,
things are going to get real interesting....probably more ammo for clients
to "outsource"
i see company ads in the papers/job boards longer and longer now...lots of
frustration out there now...

i know of one cobol insurance firm up north that has had five offers
rejected these last sixty days

"As the world turns...........in the I/T industry,,,

regards, frank thomas

best regards,
frank thomas
dir/mis recruiting
hms company
412-531-7494
hmsco@xxxxxxx
serving the mis industry thirty five years
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