Re: Decision to make? -- MIDRANGE-JOBS

I was once coached with this approach if leaving a job for another one witha bigger pay:

"I received a good offer. I Know you can't match it, so I decided to takethe offer."


See what the employer does.

This approach removes any kind of "I want x pay increase else I quit",attitude, which puts the boss in a defense mode, and the company willremember you as leaving with a bitter relationship. Chances are the bosswill not be able to give you a raise to keep you. Well at least you tried,and you are prepared to leave anyway.

From: rob@xxxxxxxxx
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Subject: Re: Decision to make?
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:15:33 -0500

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- Money
- Job satisfaction
- Ratio of effort to money
Not necessarily in that order.

There's a balance between Money and Job Satisfaction.  Well, the first is
that you have to be making enough for food, clothing and shelter.  But
after that, if one job pays more and you look at it like it's just a job
and you can get your satisfaction elsewhere, downhill skiing for example
then you may pick between two jobs by the money involved.  Then again, if
you then get offered a job as a pro at a downhill ski resort with only a
minuscule cut in pay but free skiing for you and your family (and in a
region with a comparable cost of living) then you may take that cut in
pay.  Some people like to code like others like to ski.

Ratio of effort to money.  If you have to work 80 hours/week to make 10%
more than what you'd make at a 40/hours week job, what do you do?  Do you
still enjoy the job that much?  Do you need the 10% so bad that if you
switch your kid's going to die from lack of medical treatment?

Renegotiation.  The headhunters will tell you that you can get by with
that once, and only once, in your employment lifetime with a single
company.  And they mainly mean that if you go to the boss and say "pay me
x% more or I'll go to ... who has already offered me the position" then
don't ever try that again with your same employer replacing ... with an
offer of employment from yet another company.  Granted they may be biased
because they just lost a commission but I still think there's some truth
to that.
Didn't you already try to talk to them about changing duties?  What makes
the ultimatum carry any more weight?  You gave them enough time to think
if there is a possibility, right?  Granted, this may take months, after
you planted the seed.

Does anyone know of anyone who went to the dark side (SQL Server and .NET)
of employment, who was there long enough to have given it an honest try,
and who has come back to the iSeries?

Rob Berendt
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Group Dekko Services, LLC
Dept 01.073
PO Box 2000
Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





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I have been working in the iseries market for 10 years.  I have read the
discussion thread that happened a few weeks ago here and found it very
intersting, some insight from you guys would be appreciated.

What am I?  I am an average and yet enthusiastic programmer, not overly
aggressive, not great at office politics.  I cant get reimbursed for
training on the iseries or new skill sets so have taken
classes/conferences
on my own.

My current position is at a good organizaiton in a support role with some
programming in RPG.  I have expanded my skill set with some knowledge of
sql
server and .net.  I am very busy with my day to day activities and have
not
had time to really get in depth in these new areas.  I applied for a
Sr.RPGposition at a different firm in the area and they did not want
to pay more
then what I am making, so I didnt take it.  Im not terribly happy at my
current position due to the politics and certain bosses are self-cenetered
and difficult.  I do seemingly have job stability/security.

A new opportunity has come up with a similar type of organization to my
current one that requires someone with sql server and .net plus service
skills.  They like me even though I do not have a full backgrand in the
specific skill set.  They claim they have not been able to find anyone
they
like as much.  The offer will be around 5% more than what i make now,
similar benefits.

What would you do?  Do I leave the iseries behind?  Do I try to
renegotiate
with my current employer to expand/change my day to day activities,
possible
money adjustemnt from them?
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