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The path to prosperity is to outsource. The future is our children. Our children see the futility of learning any of the outsourced technologies because there is no future in it. America loses its intellectual advantage. America loses its technological advantage to nations who embrace it. Other nations economies grow while America stagnates. America becomes the outsourcer to those nations because we have become the cheap labor. WE MUST KEEP OUR COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE AT ALL COST. -----Original Message----- From: midrange-jobs-bounces+cvela=rrohio.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-jobs-bounces+cvela=rrohio.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of midrange-jobs-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:31 PM To: midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: MIDRANGE-JOBS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 18 Send MIDRANGE-JOBS mailing list submissions to midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-jobs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to midrange-jobs-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx You can reach the person managing the list at midrange-jobs-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of MIDRANGE-JOBS digest..." *** NOTE: When replying to this digest message, PLEASE remove all text unrelated to your reply and change the subject line so it is meaningful. Today's Topics: 1. RE: US Jobs (Doug Hart) 2. Re: Midrange Jobs National Discussion (pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx) 3. re: Midrange Jobs National Discussion (Mark Villa) 4. RE: Midrange Jobs National Discussion (Joe Murfitt) 5. re: Midrange Jobs National Discussion (Timothy A. Grove) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- message: 1 date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:54:26 -0500 from: Doug Hart <doughart.consulting@xxxxxxxxx> subject: RE: US Jobs The culture of corporate America has completely changed from valuing their employees (1950's) to taking a global view. It is all being driven by their costs and the bottom line. The value added by the American skilled worker is not in the equation. Ford Motor Company is laying off 50,00 - 75,000 workers. These factory workers making $27/hr will never make those earnings again in their lives. Many will end up working in retail at less than $10/hr. And benefits are a thing of the past. Hillary Clinton used NY tax dollars to help a startup consulting company in Buffalo New York. Of the 150 new jobs created only 3 are held by US citizens. From Albany NY West well into the Midwest states manufacturing was the engine that grew this country, not any more. My main client, a Fortune 300 company is investing heavily in a new plant in China. And they are rapidly moving to outsource their large datacenters. They already sent their application development to India. The buzz word they use in their newsletters is 'lean operations'. My small city in upstate NY had 3 large factories (national brands) 15 years ago. Two have closed and the 3rd is now foreign owned. In this entire region, once strong in manufacturing, no manufacturing growth has occurred in years. Major employers like G.E., Carrier Air Conditioner, Kodak, Xerox have either closed or are only a small percentage of their past size. What I'm saying is this is not just an I.T. problem. It is not a problem of skills in the work force. What is happening is that the economy has become global. This means that pay rates will find an average over a much larger base. Since we were the top of the scale we will drop the most to reach the mean. We need to be careful as our standard of living is surely going to fall. We can't afford the $350 billion we have spent on the war with no end in sight. Remember it was not bullets that ended the Cold War, it was Russia going bankrupt. I well remember when I was a kid, hearing about how the work week had been reduced over the last hundred and fifty years to 40 hours. The expectation was that it would continue to shorten. Little did anyone think that it would be because of the lack of work. Government and the heads of industry must rethink about their 'long term' investment. If they invest in America they are investing in us. I tell the people I work with that investing in China is such a short term view. In 20 years China may well be our enemy and they will loose everything they built there. The bottom line is it costs less to do business else where. Yes, you get what you pay for. One of my favorite saying is this. Fast, Cheap, or Good Pick ONLY Two If you want it fast and cheap, the results will not be good. If you want it fast and good, it's not going to be cheap. And, if you want it cheap and good, it certainly won't be fast. Lets put 'good' back into the bottom line because it's right. Another common justification for everything is 'it's the money'. OK, so lets spend the money here and see why we can build with it. -- Doug Hart ------------------------------ message: 2 date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:20:37 -0600 from: pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx subject: Re: Midrange Jobs National Discussion Those problems have already started surfacing. I knew a guy in California who worked for Bank of America. The third time he had to train an Indian to take his job, he went out to his car and ate his gun. We have out of work programmers working at Home Depot and Wal-Mart. I know a guy here in Chicago who lost his job 4 years ago in an iSeries shop. He went back to school and learned the PC programming languages, and he still can't get a job because he's competing with 20-somethings who are single. My friend has a family and a mortgage. Our major problem in this workplace is the 30 to 40 something MBA's who manage on a quarter to quarter basis rather than taking the long view.
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