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Stephen,
Thank you for your suggestion. I stopped watching Lou Dobbs biased reporting
many months ago. It is like watching FOX News.
Both sources of information are extremely biased.
Instead I researched the issue in the files of the CIA which are available to
everyone. We have an aging population problem which will affect
our position in the world. China and India have millions of people, and thus
lower cost of labor. The wealth of a nation is also based on adequate
population.
We will soon have more older people than can be supported by the working people.
Unfortunately, Congress solutions to the problem are base on myopic concerns
based on special interests and concerns for re-election.
I recognize we have a problem, but the real problem lies in the need for
Capitalism to find sources of cheap labor.
Unfortunately we are also part of the problem: When you buy a stock you look for
a company that will give you the highest return on investment, not the company
that employs the most nationals. This is why the IBMs of the world will look for
ways to reduce cost and increase profit.
I am just as concerned about our economic security, and the inability of
congress in solving the problem.
"Stephen King"
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Hey phil, try watching Lou Dobbs on CNN, learn about the American worker and
American middle class, and how foriegn labor is depressing wages and taking
jobs. What is next? Programming is jobs Americans won't do?
With the Senate's AMNESTY bill they passed, Kenneth is 100% right. You need to
wake up to what is going on phil.
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I wonder what happened to the moderator.
Your statement contains a lot of distortions. I suggest moderation of emotions
and more accurate facts.
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06/07/2006 03:33 PM Re: The globalization of COMMON, or is
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I must first say there is a world economy. Then I let my emotions talk.
There are many ways non citizens avoid paying taxes. I have even see ads
in a hospital newspaper where a temporary agency (slave owner)
advertises so boldly as to in print their offer to pay foreign nurses
mostly outside the US thus saving them from having to render to the IRS
or having Social Security taxes deducted. Each April 15, remember be it
an L or H1 visa, many foreign workers are partly or totally paid outside
the US or in some other way are not tax payers. Knowing that even I can
figure out why foreign workers work cheaper. Illegals are working as
knowledge workers; as shown below it is not just visa holders.
I can go on employment web sites and find listings that more sound like
they are offering for sale fake documents more than promoting available work
To be fair what sound like I am calling Mexicans below are not all
Mexicans. For example, Cubans fly to Mexico City, make it up to Laredo,
once on US soil walk up to an ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement)
agent and proudly tell the agent they are Cuban. The US deal with Cuba
is that Cubans go back if they are caught wet (on water) and are a US
citizen is caught on American dry land. They have just won the
Mega-Million Lottery when they tell the ICE agent they are Cuban.
If 100 running illegals cross as a group at Laredo or San Diego or El
Paso, there is no way to control the group. They win the lottery of
making it as an illegal. It is not necessary to be an H or L visa holder
to enter the US for work and fake documentation is openly sold.
These are things I understand. No fence will be built on the boarder
unless Mexico gives their approval of the fence. The odds of Mexico
giving permission is equal to the odds of you paying your dad back the
money you borrowed from him when you were in college. Almost always a
foreign worker has job protection over a citizen, If I have 100 workers
with 40 of them being non-citizens and I need to reduce my work force by
50, I can only keep 10 citizens since I am not permitted to lay off the
non-citizens. States are required to allow illegals to attend their
state colleges at in-state rates. Up to July 1 of this year illegals are
guaranteed Medicaid and I don't expect enforcement against illegals to
work starting in July. Maybe I need to read up on "labor pain", but I
have never figured out why so many Mexican women come to the US for an
afternoon of shopping and unexpectedly labor pain start reaching the
point where they have to be hospitalized for a childbirth. The child is
a US citizen enjoying all the benefits of being an American since it was
born in the US. If they want to file for citizenship they have to pay a
big fine so large it will encourage others to file for a visa rather
come illegally -- that massive fine is $2,000 -- and they have to pay
their income tax for 3 of 5 years -- since I am not too smart I have
been paying the IRS 5 out of 5 years and I will get with the program of
skipping 2 years every 5 years. If an illegal does file their 1040, they
likely will be paid Earned Income rather than having to pay. There is a
financial benefit for them to file their 1040. Illegals will receive
Social Security credits for the years they worked as an illegal using
illegal documentation. There are 12 million illegals working today and
with this amnesty we are offering there will be 120,000 million in 15
years in line for cheap college tuition, Social Security, Earned Income
and all of the other benefits.
Steve Landess wrote:
*** Please pay close attention when replying to a message on this list! *** If you want the reply to go to the list, use REPLY-TO-ALL *** Recruiters may advertise only permanent employment positions in this list. All - I have not been to a COMMON conference in quite a while, but I had heard that
the next conference is being held in Miami. As I was looking at COMMON's web site yesterday, I happened to click on the link that shows the candidates in the next board of directors election ( http://www.common.org/about/candidates.html ).
As I read the candidate's statements, I noticed that one candidate (Rajan
Narayanan) is a senior VP for a company named Mindtree that promotes the outsourcing of work to India ( http://www.common.org/about/rajan.html ).
That, of course, immediately pushed one of my hot buttons. This candidate
apparently earns his salary by taking jobs from North Americans and giving them to workers in India. If this is not the case, I would surely like to see his employee list!
In fact, a quick visit to his employer's web page to view current job openings
( http://www.mindtree.com/crs/opngs.php ) confirmed what I already suspected - that Mindtree probably does NOT hire technical people in the United States! Of 73 positions being advertised, only ONE is in the USA - and it is for a "Manager of Business Development" in Schaumburg, Illinois.
It's no secret to anyone who subscribes to midrange-L or midrange-jobs how I
feel about outsourcing American jobs overseas. Does anyone see anything wrong with the message that COMMON seems to be sending with this nomination?
COMMON purports to be an education provider, and it has programs designed to
work with schools to bring young programmers into the midrange community. It even has a group calling itself the YIPS (Young iSeries Professionals). Ostensibly, this education is intended to benefit the iSeries community in North America. The last time I checked, COMMON was still based in Chicago, Illinois, and not in Bangalore, India.
I have heard that not many people vote for the board candidates because only
those with individual memberships and the member representatives for a company are entitled to vote. It is my understanding that with people moving around in the industry and within their companies, COMMON has had trouble figuring out exactly who the member reps actually are.
If I am allowed a little conjecture here, a candidate with a large IT labor
force could actually "buy" a seat on COMMON's board by telling his employees to purchase individual memberships and that the company would provide reimbursement. Also, the prospect that COMMON's membership list could then be available to an outsourcing firm really bothers me.
I am planning to buy a membership so that I can stand up for what I believe.
If you also see a problem with COMMON's direction, I urge you to join COMMON and vote too.
By the way...I'm sure that Rajan appreciates IBM for their ongoing investment
in India. See http://news.com.com/IBM+to+pour+6+billion+into+India/2100-1014_3-6080346.html?tag=st.ref.goo or http://tinyurl.com/eengr
On that note, I'm wondering why IBM doens't just pull up and move their
headquarters to India! They could get rid of hundreds (or thousands) of overpaid executives in Armonk and Rochester and replace them with far cheaper workers in Bangalore...
Thanks for your time, Steve Landess Austin, Texas (512) 423-0935 It is strange the way the ignorant and inexperienced so often and so
undeservedly succeed when the informed and the experienced fail. - Mark Twain
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