RE: The globalization of COMMON, or is this the right direction? -- MIDRANGE-JOBS

Hey phil, try watching Lou Dobbs on CNN, learn about the American worker and 
American middle class, and how foriegn labor is depressing wages and taking 
jobs.  What is next?  Programming is jobs Americans won't do?

With the Senate's AMNESTY bill they passed, Kenneth is 100% right. You need to 
wake up to what is going on phil.

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I wonder what happened to the moderator.


Your statement contains a lot of distortions.   I suggest moderation of emotions
and more accurate facts.





                                                                                
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I must first say there is a world economy. Then I let my emotions talk.

There are many ways non citizens avoid paying taxes. I have even see ads
in a hospital newspaper where a temporary agency (slave owner)
advertises so boldly as to in print their offer to pay foreign nurses
mostly outside the US thus saving them from having to render to the IRS
or having Social Security taxes deducted.  Each April 15, remember be it
an L or H1 visa, many foreign workers are partly or totally paid outside
the US or in some other way are not tax payers. Knowing that even I can
figure out why foreign workers work cheaper. Illegals are working as
knowledge workers; as shown below it is not just visa holders.

I can go on employment web sites and find listings that more sound like
they are offering for sale fake documents more than promoting available work

To be fair what sound like I am calling Mexicans below are not all
Mexicans. For example, Cubans fly to Mexico City, make it up to Laredo,
once on US soil walk up to an ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement)
agent and proudly tell the agent they are Cuban. The US deal with Cuba
is that Cubans go back if they are caught wet (on water) and are a US
citizen is caught on American dry land.  They have just won the
Mega-Million Lottery when they tell the ICE agent they are Cuban.

If 100 running illegals cross as a group at Laredo or San Diego or El
Paso, there is no way to control the group. They win the lottery of
making it as an illegal. It is not necessary to be an H or L visa holder
to enter the US for work and fake documentation is openly sold.

These are things I understand. No fence will be built on the boarder
unless Mexico gives their approval of the fence. The odds of Mexico
giving permission is equal to the odds of you paying your dad back the
money you borrowed from him when you were in college. Almost always a
foreign worker has job protection over a citizen, If I have 100 workers
with 40 of them being non-citizens and I need to reduce my work force by
50, I can only keep 10 citizens since I am not permitted to lay off the
non-citizens. States are required to allow illegals to attend their
state colleges at in-state rates. Up to July 1 of this year illegals are
guaranteed Medicaid and I don't expect enforcement against illegals to
work starting in July.  Maybe I need to read up on "labor pain", but I
have never figured out why so many Mexican women come to the US for an
afternoon of shopping and unexpectedly labor pain start reaching the
point where they have to be hospitalized for a childbirth. The child is
a US citizen enjoying all the benefits of being an American since it was
born in the US. If they want to file for citizenship they have to pay a
big fine so large it will encourage others to file for a visa rather
come illegally -- that massive fine is $2,000 -- and they have to pay
their income tax for 3 of 5 years -- since I am not too smart I have
been paying the IRS 5 out of 5 years and I will get with the program of
skipping 2 years every 5 years. If an illegal does file their 1040, they
likely will be paid Earned Income rather than having to pay. There is a
financial benefit for them to file their 1040. Illegals will receive
Social Security credits for the years they worked as an illegal using
illegal documentation. There are 12 million illegals working today and
with this amnesty we are offering there will be 120,000 million in 15
years in line for cheap college tuition, Social Security, Earned Income
and all of the other benefits.


Steve Landess wrote:

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All -

I have not been to a COMMON conference in quite a while, but I had heard that

the next conference is being held in Miami. As I was looking at COMMON's web
site yesterday, I happened to click on the link that shows the candidates in the
next board of directors election ( http://www.common.org/about/candidates.html
).


As I read the candidate's statements, I noticed that one candidate (Rajan

Narayanan) is a senior VP for a company named Mindtree that promotes the
outsourcing of work to India ( http://www.common.org/about/rajan.html ).

That, of course, immediately pushed one of my hot buttons. This candidate

apparently earns his salary by taking jobs from North Americans and giving them
to workers in India. If this is not the case, I would surely like to see his
employee list!


In fact, a quick visit to his employer's web page to view current job openings

( http://www.mindtree.com/crs/opngs.php ) confirmed what I already suspected -
that Mindtree probably does NOT hire technical people in the United States!  Of
73 positions being advertised, only ONE is in the USA - and it is for a "Manager
of Business Development" in Schaumburg, Illinois.


It's no secret to anyone who subscribes to midrange-L or midrange-jobs how I

feel about outsourcing American jobs overseas. Does anyone see anything wrong
with the message that COMMON seems to be sending with this nomination?


COMMON purports to be an education provider, and it has programs designed to

work with schools to bring young programmers into the midrange community. It
even has a group calling itself the YIPS (Young iSeries Professionals).
Ostensibly, this education is intended to benefit the iSeries community in North
America. The last time I checked, COMMON was still based in Chicago, Illinois,
and not in Bangalore, India.


I have heard that not many people vote for the board candidates because only

those with individual memberships and the member representatives for a company
are entitled to vote. It is my understanding that with people moving around in
the industry and within their companies, COMMON has had trouble figuring out
exactly who the member reps actually are.


If I am allowed a little conjecture here, a candidate with a large IT labor

force could actually "buy" a seat on COMMON's board by telling his employees to
purchase individual memberships and that the company would provide
reimbursement. Also, the prospect that COMMON's membership list could then be
available to an outsourcing firm really bothers me.


I am planning to buy a membership so that I can stand up for what I believe.

If you also see a problem with COMMON's direction, I urge you to join COMMON and
vote too.


By the way...I'm sure that Rajan appreciates IBM for their ongoing investment

in India.  See
http://news.com.com/IBM+to+pour+6+billion+into+India/2100-1014_3-6080346.html?tag=st.ref.goo
  or http://tinyurl.com/eengr


On that note, I'm wondering why IBM doens't just pull up and move their

headquarters to India!  They could get rid of hundreds (or thousands) of
overpaid executives in Armonk and Rochester and replace them with far cheaper
workers in Bangalore...


Thanks for your time,
Steve Landess
Austin, Texas
(512) 423-0935

It is strange the way the ignorant and inexperienced so often and so

undeservedly succeed when the informed and the experienced fail.  - Mark Twain


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