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Joe,

Been there, fought that battle a while back.  Finally gave up and switched
to user-based a couple of releases ago so I didn't have to fight it again.
Took a huge one-time hit (almost half a million $), but I factored it in
with a hardware upgrade and a conversion to MAPICS Browser with EPDM and
other Browser-based applications to gain much needed capabilities for our
business.  It still was a major battle to get approved.  Fortunately, our
business was growing rapidly at that time, and we were adding new product
lines, so I was able to justify it.  But it was very, very, very hard.  I
debated framing the approval notice and order for posterity in my office.

However, once you get it across, it's over and done with, and your next
upgrades are no cost from MAPICS.  But it sure would be nice if there was a
less expensive way to convert to user-based pricing.  In today's economy,
I'm sure this has been a frequent deal-killer.

"Troll under the bridge" - I love that one!

Dale Gindlesperger
IT Manager/Special Projects Leader
Fleetwood Folding Trailers, Inc.
258 Beacon Street
Somerset, PA  15501




                                                                                
                                                        
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Here's a laugh I though I would share with the group:

We have been a MAPICS user for 24+ years, currently on release 6.  Our
iSeries box is an 820-2395-1523 (120 interactive CPW - 370 total CPW).  We
are on tier pricing with MAPICS and have about 70 concurrent users.  We do
some other things on the box outside of MAPICS.

IBM is currently offering some very good upgrade prices on an 820 to 810
upgrade.  This upgrade would do several things for us including -  Triple
the performance to 1070 CPW with no interactive limit as well as lower the
IBM software tier from P20 to P10 thus saving us about $7,000 per year in
software support and maintenance.  For an initial investment of $50K-$60K
the ROI looks very good not even considering the performance boost.

Here is where it gets funny.  I spoke to the troll under the bridge, I mean
MAPICS, and asked if there would be any charge from them, hoping that the
may have indexed their performance tiers at least once since 1978.  Here
are the options they gave me:

Convert Tier to Tier all current modules to the new machine $1.7M (yes that
is an M and would be about $24,000 per user) or convert to concurrent user
lisence for $130K.  They also proposed a much lower cost option to convert
to concurrent users with the MAPICS Essentials package and I am sure there
is some value in getting those modules we don't already have but never the
less it has probably sunk the deal.  What was a relative no brainer $50K
decision turns into a $120K plus major capital decision on our part.

Joe Perrault

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