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Joan, you hit it right on the head!  Actually, you can have users
registered over your max count (I have been there).  What you have to be
careful of is that they actually sign off instead of just closing the
window or powering off the terminal.  I find I don't get error messages
about exceeding max count until that happens.  Then I just go into
WRKLICINF and clean up the garbage.

A good suggestion for MAPICS would be "read only" (inquiry) licenses at a
substantial discount, preferably free.  The programs could check MAPICS
security to see if it is an update program before allowing access.  PM&C
Employee Status inquiry would be a challenge, as it is an inquiry that
allows maintenance - I'm still scratching my head over that one.  I would
jump on that option REAL quick.  Then I wouldn't have to develop
"non-MAPICS" inquiries into MAPICS data, which is a major pain.

Dale @ Fleetwood





"McCready, Joan" <Joan.McCready@metaltekint.com>
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A-men! We're skating the user limit right at the moment (actually going
over
if QSECOFR has to do some work as well as me!), but I can't justify
additional seats of EVERY MODULE we are running. At Rel 4, we just
released
the seats every day, but at Rel 6, it gets a bit more tricky to do that.
We
could try setting up workstation logins instead, but management wants to
see
individual responsibility. (In fact, we recently fired a second shift
employee because we could prove that his TA records were altered at a
given
workstation at a certain time of day, even though PMC TRDATA doesn't store
the user ID anywhere! I was grilled in the third degree about why MAPICS
doesn't trace who creates or updates payroll-sensitive data like TA in and
out.)

What really galls me about the "user-based" licenses is the statement, "If
you have 10 users on first shift and 10 users on second shift, you need 20
licenses." Why? I don't have 20 PC's for them - I have 10. MAPICS is
telling
us that we can only use a given license 8 hours a day!!! Is this highway
robbery, or what? I hope Bill Gates isn't listening!

I'm heading out the door before I do any more damage today!  -- Joan

Joan McCready, IS Manager      phone:  636-479-4499
MetalTek International         fax:  636-479-3399
The Carondelet Division        www.metaltekint.com
8600 Commercial Blvd
Pevely, MO  63070


-----Original Message-----
From: Shrader, Patrick [mailto:pshrader@wkep.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 4:10 PM
To: mapics-l@midrange.com
Subject: RE: AS400 Performance


The problem with user-based applications is when you need to purchase
additional seats. If you are running close to your user limit, you don't
encourage additional users to come onboard. If you need one additional AP
clerk, you have to buy additional seats for all the applications in your
organization (COM, AR, GL, IFM, COM_Net, PCC, etc.).

Because of this I have not installed applications that I have on the
shelf.
Adding 10-20 users to the system for PM&C or PC&C becomes extremely
expensive, so I work on ways not to use these modules. I don't mind paying
for what I use, but paying for COM seats when I am adding a payroll clerk
is
indeed a very expensive upgrade charge!

Patrick


-----Original Message-----
From: DaleGindlesperger@fft-inc.com [mailto:DaleGindlesperger@fft-inc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:54 PM
To: mapics-l@midrange.com
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I agree - the upgrade pricing when you are just upgrading to add
horsepower,
with no additional users or applications is too much. Especially if you
move
up to Browser, and need the additional horsepower - you REALLY get whacked
then.

We converted to user-based pricing when we implemented Browser.  It was a
pretty stiff one-time charge, but will definitely pay for itself over
time.
That was my last upgrade charge!

Dale Gindlesperger
Fleetwood Folding Trailers, Inc.






Rusty Jackson <rustyjackson@ntown.com>
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That is true...It is called stick it to them as much as you can!

I have at least three small clients that need to upgrade but cannot
because
the the MAPICS' upgrade prices as well as the increased ALF amounts!


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