RE: To Mapics backup or not to Mapics backup? -- MAPICS-L

Forwarded on behalf of Eric A. Wolf

Dave Shaw
MAPICS-L Moderator
Spartan International, Inc.
Spartanburg, SC

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Another thought on backups...
If you have PMC, do not forget about the "always attached" device.  It will
have the lock on SYSCTL - for those users that do not use a MAPICS backup
and are relying on a non-sys backup, you may not have a save of this file.
It happened to us and we only found out after a disk crash.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From:   owner-mapics-l@midrange.com [mailto:owner-mapics-l@midrange.com] On
Behalf Of Barb Hines
Sent:   Thursday, June 22, 2000 9:10 AM
To:     MAPICS-L@midrange.com
Subject:        Re: To Mapics backup or not to Mapics backup?



I have a pre-backup command that ends jobs with a lock on sysctl and cleans
up abend records
in jobact. I formerly used a post backup command to back up the remaining
libraries on mmlist
but found this was keeping MAPICS dedicated that much longer. I changed the
end of tape
option to 2 (leave) and now I run that command through the OS/400 job
scheduler. These
remaining libraries are being backed up with the save-while-active option
and MAPICS is now
dedicated for only 30 minutes per day. (The Magstar 3570 also cut our backup
time
dramatically)

--
Barbara Hines
AS/400 Systems Analyst
Allied Machine & Engineering Corp.
mailto:bhines@alliedmachine.com

Leleux@shur-lok.com wrote:

> MAPICS XA, Pre & Post commands with scheduler!
>
> Works beautifully, especially when users log out & close their IM batches!
>
>
>                     "Ed Chabot"
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>                     06/22/2000 05:10
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>                     MAPICS-L
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> With our own standalone procedure. I have never heard of the MAPICS
> post-backup command, but then again there are alot of things in MAPICS
that
> I have never heard of.
> Ed Chabot
> Marlin Firearms Co.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-mapics-l@midrange.com [mailto:owner-mapics-l@midrange.com]On
> Behalf Of Tom Hauber
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 5:27 PM
> To: 'MAPICS-L@midrange.com'
> Subject: RE: To Mapics backup or not to Mapics backup?
>
> Now are you doing this full save of non-Mapics libraries via the Mapics
> post-backup command?  Or with your own standalone procedure?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Chabot [mailto:echabot@marlinfirearms.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 2:13 PM
> To: MAPICS-L@midrange.com
> Subject: RE: To Mapics backup or not to Mapics backup?
>
> Philip,
> We do the same thing, a MAPICS backup to disk and a full save of all
> non-system libraries.  We save the disk backup to tape the next morning.
> Our operator schedules the disk backup each day and we have the full save
> in
> a job schedule entry procedure.  We too, have the luxury of not running
> 24/7
> operations.
> Ed Chabot
> Marlin Firearms Co.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-mapics-l@midrange.com [mailto:owner-mapics-l@midrange.com]On
> Behalf Of Philip R. Freimann
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 4:53 PM
> To: MAPICS-L@midrange.com
> Subject: RE: To Mapics backup or not to Mapics backup?
>
> Are we the only company that makes TWO backups a night?  We do both the
> standard MAPICS backup to reset the batches and provide an orderly MAPICS
> restore if necessary - then also do a normal system save.
>
> It's sort of like safety belts in the car - you have to decide what kind
of
> accident you're going to have.  Better safe than sorry.
>
> We do have the luxury of being able to squeeze some time out of every 24
> hour period.
>
> At 03:51 PM 6/21/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >Patrick/Rebecca,
> >
> >If you have the source for Cross Apps, look at the source for AXZPZD and
> >AXZPZY, which are the backup procs for disk and tape, respectively (the
> >names are from memory - I don't have it here).  It is possible to omit
the
> >actual SAV commands from the CL's, thereby executing only the MAPICS
> >cleanup, which actually runs pretty quickly.  Then you can separately run
> a
> >save-while-active of the MAPICS libraries for backup purposes.
> >
> >WARNING - If you do this, you won't be able to use the MAPICS "recovery
> >procedures" if you manage to corrupt MAPICS and have to fix it.
> Personally,
> >I never considered that a problem, since I consider the "recovery
> >procedures" to be little more than a historical curiosity that I've never
> >used, but your cases may be different.  The "recovery procedures" are
what
> a
> >normal SAVLIB is "useless" for, since a non-MAPICS backup can only take a
> >picture of the database, not guarantee that it's in a certain condition.
> >Rebecca, I'd say your affiliate agrees with me, whereas your course
> >instructor was adhering to the conservative MAPICS company line.  You
> should
> >make your own choice based on what you feel confident about supporting.
> >
> >Dave Shaw
> >MAPICS-L Moderator
> >Spartan International, Inc.
> >Spartanburg, SC
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shrader, Patrick [mailto:pshrader@wkep.com]
> > >
> > > I, too, like the idea of a scheduled system backup for my
> > > data. However, the
> > > MAPICS backup does more than simply back up the information
> > > to tape. There
> > > are some cleanup jobs that is included in the MAPICS backup.
> > > If I could
> > > determine all of these jobs and run them from my own
> > > routines, I would have
> > > the backup scheduled automatically, greatly reducing the
> > > daily operational
> > > headaches of setting up the backup.
> > >
> > > If anyone knows of a resource to show the API calls that
> > > MAPICS handles, I'd
> > > greatly appreciate the information.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:       Rebecca Snyder [SMTP:rsnyder@atlasdie.com]
> > > > Sent:       Wednesday, June 21, 2000 10:04 AM
> > > > To: MAPICS-L@midrange.com
> > > > Subject:    To Mapics backup or not to Mapics backup?
> > > >
> > > > Hello Everyone,
> > > >
> > > > We're realitvely new to Mapics, and have had heard conflicting
> > > > information on whether or not to use the Mapics backup...
> > > >
> > > > The affliate that was doing the implementaion for one of our
> > > > companies told us not to use the Mapics backup and even
> > > > went so far as to set up a SAVLIB scheduled job to save the Mapics
> > > > libraries. Previous to that we were just using the AS/400 Backup
> > > > which they told us wouldn't work for Mapics.
> > > >
> > > > After attending a Mapics class. last week I found out that
> > > > we should be doing a Mapics backup, because the stuff
> > > > from doing a SAVLIB was useless.
> > > >
> > > > So how are people doing a nightly backup of the Mapics data?
> > > >
> > > > And how can you run a 24x7 shop (which will have to do when we
> > > > get the other company running on Mapics) when you need to end
> > > > QINTER to do a Mapics Backup (or the SAVLIB that we're
> > > > currently doing for that matter?)
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