Re: A Dialogue

Hi Thorbjørn,

I've been using Facelets since 2005, and added RichFaces this time around. That's in conjunction with the Glassfish project that had some discussion earlier. I'm presenting "Fun with JSF, Facelets and RichFaces" to our JUG in January, and am going to send out an invite to the local AS/400 group. As you might expect, there are several areas that it helps to be knowledgeable about, and some I'm going to send to Ed Burns to maybe deal with in JSF 2.0.

I'm not completely married to RichFaces, but IMO Facelets is the way to go with JSF.

As for IDE's, just be careful that you don't unknowingly get stuck with *it's* favorite brand of components. Personally, I use the RI components unless I specifically want another, like the Richfaces elements.


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen" <thunderaxiom@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Java Programming on and around the iSeries / AS400" <java400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: A Dialogue


Glenn Holmer skrev den 10-12-2007 15:26:

Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen wrote:

I saw a demo at JAOO 2006 where the amount of work needed to add Ajax to
a JSF-solution was a matter of adding tags to delimit the area updated
by Ajax (so the whole page was not to be reloaded). The rest was
unchanged. The learning curve is steep, but the view is good.

You're probably talking about Dynamic Faces [1]. My current feeling is
that JSF and Dynamic Faces are the future of web programming. We're
(still) exploring the NetBeans Visual Web Editor, which uses the
Woodstock JSF components by default [2]. As far as I can see, they use
this technique, and I have had test apps written that talk to an iSeries
(though not using Dynamic Faces).

[1]
http://weblogs.java.net/blog/edburns/archive/2006/08/introducing_pro.html

[2] https://woodstock.dev.java.net/index.html

Very likely, it was Ed Burns who introduced the technique, but I do not
think it had been given that name yet.

From my experience with a completely handwritten JSF application, I do
not see much benefit from doing the JSF visually _IFF_ the XML editor
supports loading taglibs so you can get code completion on tag names and
attributes.

I also have the same feeling as you. The abstraction level is high
enough for this to be long lived - I have also read that facelets gives
you JSF without JSP's (which end up being a pain).