RE: framework question

["Jon Paris" <Jon.Paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dieter,

I was simply providing data on the current "reality" regarding journaling
and CC in most iSeries shops.  Clearly your experience is similar to mine.
I made no comment on whether it was good bad or indifferent.  My personal
beliefs have nothing to do with what actually exists out there.  (If my
personal beliefs had any impact on reality there would be no MS Windows in
the world!)

As it happens I often recommend to my audiences that they should take
advantage of Journaling and CC where it is appropriate.

 >> writing books and postings, talking about how clever one person is and
the silly others is one thing and being responsible for the corrupted data
of applications without commitment control and without journaling another.

I'm going to assume that it is your use of English that makes it sound like
an insult and just ignore the remark.

 >>>> Lately I find a lot of people using triggers to do what I would
 >>>> consider a journaling function.

 >> So what, do you really recommend this approach, I can't believe that you
would.

No I don't.  What I was trying to point out was that people use even the
best of tools for dumb reasons.  This is a reality that most OO proponents
seem to ignore.  The assumption is that just because you are using OO you
are therefore immune to bad design and the actions of stupid programmers.  I
don't believe this to be true.  Stupidity seems to be something of which
there is always a plentiful supply and has a nasty habit of triumphing no
matter what the circumstances.  Personally I would rather sort out a really
nasty mess written in a procedural language than a similarly bad OO design.

I must admit that I tend to lean towards Joe's side of the argument.  I
personally like Java for the UI and the "twiddly bits" and RPG for the
business logic.  I would certainly never recommend a client to rewrite
working logic in Java just for the sake of it.  Something that I have seen
many Java proponents recommend.

If Java is so good for business applications, then I find myself wondering
why - with all the millions of dollars spent on it - that San Francisco was
such an unmitigated failure?



Jon Paris
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