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Hi Chris. If you think WebFacing can do what you want, the runtime and tools are free for iSeries customers.... Jim Mason Message text written by INTERNET:java400-l@midrange.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Ooh got a bite.......;-) As you have correctly picked-up on, it is products like Jacada I was alluding to with the phrase "expensive middleware products". And you are also correct that it probably is not a fair comment to make, for the reasons you state. The problem with all the third party products we've looked at, is they all use some form of user or processor based pricing. Our main customer has a very big box, with a lot of users, so the cost is going to be high.The penny pinchers in managment look at the upfront costs and say what are the alternatives. So here I am, looking for suggestions... Thanks for the info on OHIO by the way... Chris. -----Original Message----- From: nimrod@jacada.com [mailto:nimrod@jacada.com] Sent: 12 November 2001 14:44 To: java400-l@midrange.com Subject: RE: New GUI for green on black... Hi Chris, While my e-mail identity may make me a prime suspect, let me try and help anyway. First of all, the "expensive" middleware products may eventually be inexpensive. The determining factor is the amount and complexity of work you need. And not just now - in the long run as well. What might seem "inexpensive" may turn out "cheap", because you may have to pay the price in labour, maintenance, support, lack of features, etc. If you still think that your choice is the right one for you, then can you elaborate some more on what control you need over the datastream? As for OHIO, If my memory serves me right it was designed by Attachmate (or another emulation vendor) as an "OO"-like version of EHLLAPI (which, to give you my $.02, should not have survived the introduction of Windows & OS/2, but technologies have an interesting survival pattern.....). But the bottom line is still - I suggest you take a serious look into the future, and then choose your strategy, rather than try to slam in some quick & dirty solution. Nimrod From: "Price, Chris" <chris_price@nsb.co.uk> on 12/11/01 15:54 To: "'java400-l@midrange.com'" <java400-l@midrange.com> Subject: RE: New GUI for green on black... This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] KJP, Thanks for your answer. TN5250j isn't really of any interest to me. For our customers if we're going to do a thick client application I can assume that the user will have a 5250 emulator already, (normally Client Access). os-ohio is of more interest, but the sourceforge site doesn't give any more information - theres no homepage. Incidentaly, where does the info on OHIO itself come from, I can't find any on the IBM website. What's the difference (if any) between OHIO & HACL? Chris. -----Original Message----- From: KJ P [mailto:kjpou@hotmail.com] Sent: 12 November 2001 13:23 To: java400-l@midrange.com Subject: Re: New GUI for green on black... Hello Chris If you want control over the 5250 data stream there is a project on sourceforge http://sourcforge.net/projects/os-ohio. It is in java and does not have an HTML interface but the html can be generated. os-ohio is an Open Source implementation of the Open Host Interface Objects for java from IBM. You might want to give it a try but like I said it does create HTML but it does fit the non expensive middle ware requirement. As far as an in-expensive (Open Source) fat java client that can produce gui screens you can try http://sourcforge.net/projects/tn5250j. It has gotten good response in the past couple of months for the gui parts. Hope these help. Regards Kenneth >From: "Price, Chris" <chris_price@nsb.co.uk> >Reply-To: java400-l@midrange.com >To: "'java400-l@midrange.com'" <java400-l@midrange.com> >Subject: New GUI for green on black... >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:31:04 -0000 > >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. >-- >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >All, > >The top brass here have got this idea of putting a GUI menu in front of our >existing GoB AS/400 application. The idea is fair enough - it gives the >whole application a "fresh new face", whilst enabling us to slot in GUI >functionallity piece-meal as we replace the GoB screens over time. > >I'm quite happy we could design a thick client GUI, in VB or Java, using a >5250 emulator controlled by EHLLAPI. > >The problems start when I try to design a web based version. To the best of >my knowledge, none of the "standard" 5250-to-HTML converters (Webfacing, >WSG, iSeries Access for the Web) allow programatic control of the data >stream, such as the emulator does. > >Does anyone have any suggestion on how to solve this problem? Can it be >done >without using expensive middleware products? > >Any comments gratefully received... > >Chris >_______________________________________________ >This is the Java Programming on and around the iSeries / AS400 (JAVA400-L) >mailing list >To post a message email: JAVA400-L@midrange.com >To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, >visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/java400-l >or email: JAVA400-L-request@midrange.com >Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives >at http://archive.midrange.com/java400-l. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________________ This is the Java Programming on and around the iSeries / AS400 (JAVA400-L) mailing list To post a message email: JAVA400-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/java400-l or email: JAVA400-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/java400-l. _______________________________________________ This is the Java Programming on and around the iSeries / AS400 (JAVA400-L) mailing list To post a message email: JAVA400-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/java400-l or email: JAVA400-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/java400-l. <
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