RE: New GUI for green on black... Webfacing runtime is free

Hi Chris.

If you think WebFacing can do what you want, the runtime and tools are free
for iSeries customers....

Jim Mason

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Ooh got a bite.......;-)

As you have correctly picked-up on, it is products like Jacada I was
alluding to with the phrase "expensive middleware products". And you are
also correct that it probably is not a fair comment to make, for the
reasons
you state.

The problem with all the third party products we've looked at, is they all
use some form of user or processor based pricing. Our main customer has a
very big box, with a lot of users, so the cost is going to be high.The
penny
pinchers in managment look at the upfront costs and say what are the
alternatives. So here I am, looking for suggestions...

Thanks for the info on OHIO by the way...

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: nimrod@jacada.com [mailto:nimrod@jacada.com]
Sent: 12 November 2001 14:44
To: java400-l@midrange.com
Subject: RE: New GUI for green on black...





Hi Chris,

While my e-mail identity may make me a prime suspect, let me try and help
anyway.

First of all, the "expensive" middleware products may eventually be
inexpensive.  The determining factor is the amount and complexity of work
you need.  And not just now - in the long run as well.  What might seem
"inexpensive" may turn out "cheap", because you may have to pay the price
in labour, maintenance, support, lack of features, etc.

If you still think that your choice is the right one for you, then can you
elaborate some more on what control you need over the datastream?

As for OHIO, If my memory serves me right it was designed by Attachmate
(or another emulation vendor) as an "OO"-like version of EHLLAPI (which,
to give you my $.02, should not have survived the introduction of Windows
& OS/2, but technologies have an interesting survival pattern.....).

But the bottom line is still - I suggest you take a serious look into the
future, and then choose your strategy, rather than try to slam in some
quick & dirty solution.

Nimrod



From:        "Price, Chris" <chris_price@nsb.co.uk> on 12/11/01 15:54
To:        "'java400-l@midrange.com'" <java400-l@midrange.com>
Subject:        RE: New GUI for green on black...



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KJP,

Thanks for your answer.

TN5250j isn't really of any interest to me. For our customers if we're
going
to do a thick client application I can assume that the user will have a
5250
emulator already, (normally Client Access).

os-ohio is of more interest, but the sourceforge site doesn't give any
more
information - theres no homepage. Incidentaly, where does the info on OHIO
itself come from, I can't find any on the IBM website. What's the
difference
(if any) between OHIO & HACL?

Chris.

-----Original Message-----
From: KJ P [mailto:kjpou@hotmail.com]
Sent: 12 November 2001 13:23
To: java400-l@midrange.com
Subject: Re: New GUI for green on black...


Hello Chris

If you want control over the 5250 data stream there is a project on
sourceforge http://sourcforge.net/projects/os-ohio.  It is in java and does
not have an HTML interface but the html can be generated.

os-ohio is an Open Source implementation of the Open Host Interface
Objects
for java from IBM.

You might want to give it a try but like I said it does create HTML but it
does fit the non expensive middle ware requirement.

As far as an in-expensive (Open Source) fat java client that can produce
gui
screens you can try http://sourcforge.net/projects/tn5250j.  It has gotten
good response in the past couple of months for the gui parts.

Hope these help.

Regards

Kenneth

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>Subject: New GUI for green on black...
>Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:31:04 -0000
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>All,
>
>The top brass here have got this idea of putting a GUI menu in front of
our
>existing GoB AS/400 application. The idea is fair enough - it gives the
>whole application a "fresh new face", whilst enabling us to slot in GUI
>functionallity piece-meal as we replace the GoB screens over time.
>
>I'm quite happy we could design a thick client GUI, in VB or Java, using
a
>5250 emulator controlled by EHLLAPI.
>
>The problems start when I try to design a web based version. To the best
of
>my knowledge, none of the "standard" 5250-to-HTML converters (Webfacing,
>WSG, iSeries Access for the Web) allow programatic control of the data
>stream, such as the emulator does.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestion on how to solve this problem? Can it be
>done
>without using expensive middleware products?
>
>Any comments gratefully received...
>
>Chris
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