RE: interesting link

[Nick.Vrtis@xxxxxxxxxxx]

I support Joe.. But I'll fill in with 30 years of being in this business.
I went through the gread "Assembler vs COBOL" debates.  COBOL would never
be as efficient as Assembler, it was limited in what you could do with it,
etc.

The reality was the machines got cheaper, so the performance hit didn't
hurt as much, the compilers got better and generated more efficient code,
it was faster to write a COBOL program and Assembler, COBOL systems tended
to be more stable because it was harder to crash the system with COBOL than
assembler, and there were more COBOL programmers available to get things
done.  It was also easier to write BAD assembler code.... because it could
do more.

I've spent most of my life maintaining other people's code in a lot of
different languages.  I've seen some Assmebler code that was beautiful.  It
was easy to read, the logic flowed from one section to another, etc... I've
seen some COBOL that was uggly and virtually un-maintainable.

The key to this is to write code that you assume will be modified.  The
machines are getting cheaper... people aren't.  So, flexible, easy to adapt
code is the key.  This can be done in any language.

Nick




"Joe Teff" <JoeTeff@earthlink.net>@midrange.com on 02/25/2001 01:10:21 PM

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I read the article. Running a program interpretted will never be as fast as
running a program compiled to the native OS. Doesn't take a rocket
scientist
to figure that out. The HotSpot compiler makes such a difference that as of
1.3 its no longer an optional download. The OS/400 CRTJVAPGM command makes
it a native compiled executable. I would think more vendors would do the
same thing. While speed is an issue, there's more to business systems than
speed. The ability to maintain, enhance and scale are also issues. That's
where I see the huge benefit of OO. I'm much more of an OO fan than I am a
Java fan. The author had 3 projects that failed. I've personally seen (and
talked to many more) where they were highly successful. I've also seen many
RPG, COBOL, etc programs/systems written horribly that were filled with
mistakes and inefficiencies. No language can make a mediocre programmer
great. He thinks that using VB for UI is smart. I've seen more bad VB
programmers than in any other language or platform.

Joe Teff

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-java400-l@midrange.com
[mailto:owner-java400-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of shahar mor
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:31 AM
To: JAVA400-L@midrange.com
Subject: interesting link


Hi,

not as400 specific but java stuff,this link deserves a
reading:

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/garf/2001/01/08/bad_java/index.html


=====
Shahar mor
consultant

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