RE: interesting link -- JAVA400-L


For those of you who didn't see it, there is a counter article at:

http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-02-2001/jw-0202-javasalon.html

I read the article awhile ago now, but here are the thoughts I can remember
about it:
1) The failured projects were generally old news.  One was the failed
WordPefect port to Java.  Something that happend in 97 or so.  My response:
Windows 95 had flaws compared with Windows 2000 too.
2) Projects fail.  The article took a good many shots at Java's desktop GUI
cababilities (because its hard to find other serious flaws???).  These are
radically improved in the last couple releases.  No mention of that.  I
have nothing to back it up, but my experience is that far fewer Java
projects fail than projects in other languages.  This seems amazing to me
given that the language is still pretty young (there are not many people
running around with a decade of Java experience that can head up projects).
3) Java is ugly syntax...  compared to what?  C++?  Please.  One of the
greatest things about Java is that you can be handed several hundred files
(a megabyte of source code or more) and in a day or two you can understand
its whole layout.  Features of the language like a single public class per
file, packages = library structure, etc. make this possible.  It Java
sometimes a little too verbose?  Yeah, it is.  But to call it ugly syntax
is a joke.

But either way, now you have the full story... (the pro and the con article
- which is really only about 1/100th of the whole story).  You can judge
for yourself.

Regards,

Richard D. Dettinger
AS/400 Java Data Access Team

"Biologists have a special word for stability -- dead"

                Larry Wall
                Open Source Developers Journal
                Issue 1, Jan  2000


"Joe Teff" <JoeTeff@earthlink.net>@midrange.com on 02/25/2001 12:10:21 PM

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I read the article. Running a program interpretted will never be as fast as
running a program compiled to the native OS. Doesn't take a rocket
scientist
to figure that out. The HotSpot compiler makes such a difference that as of
1.3 its no longer an optional download. The OS/400 CRTJVAPGM command makes
it a native compiled executable. I would think more vendors would do the
same thing. While speed is an issue, there's more to business systems than
speed. The ability to maintain, enhance and scale are also issues. That's
where I see the huge benefit of OO. I'm much more of an OO fan than I am a
Java fan. The author had 3 projects that failed. I've personally seen (and
talked to many more) where they were highly successful. I've also seen many
RPG, COBOL, etc programs/systems written horribly that were filled with
mistakes and inefficiencies. No language can make a mediocre programmer
great. He thinks that using VB for UI is smart. I've seen more bad VB
programmers than in any other language or platform.

Joe Teff

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-java400-l@midrange.com
[mailto:owner-java400-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of shahar mor
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:31 AM
To: JAVA400-L@midrange.com
Subject: interesting link


Hi,

not as400 specific but java stuff,this link deserves a
reading:

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/garf/2001/01/08/bad_java/index.html


=====
Shahar mor
consultant

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