Re: deployment/debugging

Jon's perspective is not unique. The customers that I worked with who tried
EGL found it required high Java skill levels. Most of them were unable to
get Rational to solve all their problems, and had to create many workarounds
to resolve their issues.

It is more and more apparent that the promise of EGL has not been met.


On 7/10/09 6:18 PM, "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jon Paris wrote:

I looked back in the archives and don't see as many as I remembered
(mismembered?) so I have to assume that some were on other lists.

This recent one http://archive.midrange.com/egl-i/200906/msg00009.html
is an example of the kind of thing I mean though. And here's another
http://archive.midrange.com/egl-i/200906/msg00000.html
.

Another example of what it seems should be simple is this one which
even the IBMers seemed unable to resolve
http://archive.midrange.com/egl-i/200901/msg00006.html

As I noted before - many of the problems can be resolved if you have
enough experience in the App Server/Java arena - but most RPGers don't
have that.

Jon Paris

"so I have to assume some were on other lists". <chuckle> That speaks
volumes.

Anyway, AFAIK, Pete's problem has been resolved. Pete has a tendency to
push the edges of technology, and to his credit typically works through
those issues.

The other two issues were Tim's. One was from January which has
evidently been resolved since he asked other questions in June. The
more recent issue is an environmental issue in one PC works but not
another. Environmental issues are just as painful in PHP as they are
anywhere else - for example, trying to run MySQL with the DB2 storage
engine on Zend.

So in the end, we've got two resolved issues and an environmental
problem. And for that, you insist that EGL is too hard for RPG
programmers. Yet you seem to think that PHP, with its arcane syntax and
Web 1.0 functionality is a good fit for RPG programmers.

You have a unique perspective, Jon.

And if you don't think PHP is severely limited functionally, just try to
get Dojo and PHP to work together. Here's an example of the "easy" PHP
language:

http://www.dojotoolkit.org/forum/dojo-core-dojo-0-9/dojo-core-support/bringing
-php-mysql-and-dojo-together


Joe

P.S. Just so you know, I haven't looked at a line of Java generated from
EGL for over a year now. The EGL debugger is phenomenal. It's really
nice to work at a business level, and not have to putz around in Java.
Of course even debugging Java beats debugging PHP.