IBM does a good job with the Eclipse project, for sure.

But Eclipse is an open source IDE, and taking the lead on open source IDE's
and - in effect eventually - IDE's in general is all well and good, but it does not
really constitute "innovation". Such as leveraging the innovative IBM "i" platform
with accompanying innovative presentation technology, like they did in the 70's.
Eclipse is a "rich client platform". With a modular architecture. This is not really
new. And in practice, i don't see the "rich client platform" ambition of the eclipse
project have any real impact. Eclipse is, and will be, an open, extensible, and very
rich IDE platform. Not a platform for end user apps. I think Flex (and others) has
the advantage here, although it is proprietary. That's because Flex is simpler to
use and more focused on a nice end user experience. That seems to be more
important than an advanced underlying architecture.

Besides, i use NetBeans myself. It works more "out of the box", is more
focused, integrated, and it is less convoluted. It provides a more convenient
user experience. IMO of course.

Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:16:58 +0200
From: thunderaxiom@xxxxxxxxx
To: egl-i@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [EGL-i] EGL and RPG - The Fastest Path to the Future

john e skrev den 18-06-2008 17:44:
But instead they completely lost control due to M$ market forces, didn't know what to do, and in the 90's Gerstner made the elephant dance by focusing on open technologies and open source. This is all good, but i think they (and we) lost a great opportunity here.

Just a side note.

Eclipse is an initiative by IBM and has basically crushed all other Java
IDE's, leaving only IntelliJ and Netbeans of which only IntelliJ is
apprarently generating revenue. The interesting thing here is that it
is basically an Open Software project done _right_ - users create bug
reports, developers use the latest bleeding-edge version, and everything
is out in the open. As you all know IBM then create their commercial
offerings on top of this platform, and users even complain that it is
not the newest version so something is done right :)

I think that Eclipse has been an experiment - can we do it this way and
earn money? - and a very successful one at that. Hopefully this will
lead to the vaults being opened...

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