This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] - Edge in getting a job. - Edge in keeping a job. - Pride. - Like the Army - "Be all that you can be." Pushing themselves. - Edge in winning a discrimination lawsuit. "You laid off the women but kept the men. Yet the women had better certifications? Open up your checkbook fella." Rob Berendt -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "Booth Martin" <Booth@martinvt.com> Sent by: email@example.com 11/04/2002 04:51 PM Please respond to consult400 To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> cc: Fax to: Subject: Re: [Consult400] Re: Re: ICCA members (email@example.com) -- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Adding to the thread, what is the value of MSCE? I see this bandied about constantly and jokes made. But, bottomline, it gets jobs for people. One of the reasons I am especially interested in this thread is that I am a volunteer for the New England User Group conference in Framingham Massachusetts each year, and IBM is offering IBM Certification Testing there. Part of my job is to find out what it is that makes people decide "Yes, I want to spend $95 to find out if I really know what I think I know." --------------------------------------------------------- Booth Martin http://www.MartinVT.com Booth@MartinVT.com --------------------------------------------------------- -------Original Message------- From: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Monday, November 04, 2002 02:26:53 PM To: email@example.com Subject: Re: [Consult400] Re: Re: ICCA members (firstname.lastname@example.org) Thanks for everyone's input on this subject. Sounds like cerification is still a very controversial subject. I know a couple of years ago it was dicussed and opinions varied greatly. At the time I opted not to certify because I felt that the AS/400, RPG market was driven by reputation alone. I can, and probably will, continue to find work based off word-of-mouth. However, as the market tightens I would like to easily distinguish myself from the rest of the market. Whether that be with CCP or IBM Certified Specialist or whatever. In your replies you touched on two subjects that concern me. One, reworking someone else's work. I, too, have taken jobs undoing a prior contractor's mess or scrapping it and starting from scratch. Two, if you are making more money than me, you better be better than I am. Someone replied that they were educating other contractors on a skill or software package where they were charging half the rate of the people they were educating. These concern me because they put the person in the hiring position in a pickle. No matter how little they contract someone for, the money is wasted if it has to be reworked. And how much do they have to spend before assuring themselves they will be getting quality work? I would like to be able to attach something to my name that will tell the people responsible for hiring me (those that have never heard of me) that they will get quality work at a fair price. I believe that whatever that something is will depend on us as a community. -- [ IMSTP.gif of type image/gif deleted ] -- _______________________________________________ This is the Consulting on the iSeries / AS400 (Consult400) mailing list To post a message email: Consult400@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/consult400 or email: Consult400email@example.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/consult400.