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No thanks

 Judy Liberty


-----Original Message-----
From: mkleinman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mkleinman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 12:24 AM
To: SSA's BPCS ERP System
Cc: SSA's BPCS ERP System; bpcs-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Is any one using Oracle Based BPCS ??



Judy,

Can I interest you in a conversion project? <wink>

Mitchell K. Kleinman
Executive Vice President
CCS - an IBM Premier Business Partner
949-476-0874 (Main)
949-261-3298 (Direct)
949-261-9164 (Office Fax)
425-940-1954 (eFax)
Mitch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



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I agree with Dennis--the iseries would be the smarter decision.  The big
problem we have with the Unix based system is the long batch runs.  WE have
never been able to complete our MRP imp or do Product cost accumes in BPCS
on Unix

 Judy Liberty


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Strobel [mailto:Dennis.Strobel@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:54 PM
To: 'SSA's BPCS ERP System'
Subject: RE: Is any one using Oracle Based BPCS ??


I agree with Mitch.  I don't know if you intend to run Oracle with BPCS on
HP or on Windows NT platform.

Our company runs BPCS on HP-UX using Informix DB.  We upgraded processors
last year, and support for the upgrade was scarce, in the sense that no one
was sure how to size the HP servers.  We ended up spending considerably
more
money for UNIX hardware than we would have for iSeries hardware, just to
insure that we would have enough processing power.  In addition to hardware
costs, on non-iSeries platforms you must also purchase the database license
separately, whereas on the iSeries it is included.

HP-UX is not a strategic platform for SSA GT (although I'm not sure how the
recent Baan acquisition plays into their previous statements of direction).
As Robert said, SSA GT is 2 releases behind on HP-UX.  I can understand how
companies may have chosen BPCS on the HP platform years ago, but I don't
think that decision today would be a good one.  If you want to use BPCS,
use
the iSeries.  Support on that platform is proven and more extensive.  If
you
want to use Oracle DB, my suggestion is to use another ERP package that is
better supported on Oracle.

Dennis Strobel

-----Original Message-----
From: mkleinman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mkleinman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:48 PM
To: SSA's BPCS ERP System
Cc: 'SSA's BPCS ERP System'; bpcs-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Is any one using Oracle Based BPCS ??


I would still suggest considering the iSeries version of the software due
to the considerable size of the install base and the rich base of
knowledge and support. Not to mention a lower TCO over the life of the use
of the application and systems, higher reliability and the availability of
a pool of talent with considerable BPCS experience on the AS/400 and
iSeries.

I am biased as I do sell these products.

Mitchell K. Kleinman
Executive Vice President
CCS - an IBM Premier Business Partner
949-476-0874 (Main)
949-261-3298 (Direct)
949-261-9164 (Office Fax)
425-940-1954 (eFax)
Mitch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx





"Pappaterri, Robert" <rpappaterri@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent by: bpcs-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
06/26/2003 09:22 AM
Please respond to "SSA's BPCS ERP System"


        To:     "'SSA's BPCS ERP System'" <bpcs-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
        cc:
        Subject:        RE: Is any one using Oracle Based BPCS ??


Our organization has been on the Oracle based systems for over 5 years.
The
product is stable and performance is good.  The response to any problems
or
question is outstanding and well as the technical help.

Our only concern is that they are now 2 releases behind on the 8.0
product.
In order to get the release the 8.2 release; due sometime late this year /
early next year, the Oracle community as a group had to let SSA/GT know
each
of our intentions so that could establish an RIO because of the limited
number of clients on the platform.

So if being current and wanting new features is a concern then you would
either have to be a big enough client for them to do it, pay for it, or
get
the rest of the Oracle based users to committee with you.

If you have any specific question or concerns, please call me at
724-696-6419

Robert



-----Original Message-----
From: ERP/BPCS [mailto:bpcsusergroup0@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:35 AM
To: bpcs-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Is any one using Oracle Based BPCS ??



Hello....

If someone is using Oracle based BPCS, Kindly share
your experience/general impression on using Oracle
based BPCS (Version 8 or any other). Is it stable ?? Performance is Ok ??
SSA's response on trouble shooting ???

Appreciate your response.....


Jum RS

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