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Robert: We also did a fairly in-depth evaulation of our options. We decided not to go with an independent consultant or one of the plethora of 2-5 people mom-and-pop firms, because they don't have the resources or depth of knowledge to support us. Sometimes, we need CEA expertise, sometimes RPG programming, sometimes manufacturing education. At times, we need 3 hours per week, at times, 200. The small companies just couldn't handle that. We also eliminated the bigger firms like SSA or former big-six, because their rates were more than we could afford (or justify), plus you don't get the personal service as with a mid-size firm in the range of 15-40 people. In our geographic region of the northeast, we also have a former affiliate who likes to strong arm people in our area by telling them they ARE an affiliate, and that they are the only choice or we would void our SSA support or some such nonsense. So, we made the only logical choice we could. We also considered hiring more in house BPCS people, but with the cost of salary, vacation, SS tax, benefits, training, etc, it was actually less expensive for us to use ASAP. I guess in the perfect world, if SSA was less of a dictator, had more knowledgable people (most of the good ones left during the 6 or so layoffs over recent years), and kept in mind that not all companies can afford their exhorbitant rates, they would have gotten our business. Just my two cents, for what its worth... Brian p.s. any opinions out there on 8.1??
From: "Robert Wright" <robertwrite@hotmail.com> Reply-To: bpcs-l@midrange.com To: bpcs-l@midrange.com Subject: Re: OGS pricing Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:32:56 -0400 We evaluated the other 3rd party help line services to replace the SSAGT OGS services too. Why pay a "set-up" fee and try to get some one up to speed and then hope they are around to answer the phone when we need them. Also, what will that call really cost us! Our decision was to drop OGS and use the assistance of our original BPCS consultant who knows our business and has a long time relationship with us.From: "Brian Cormier" <bcormierhome@hotmail.com> Reply-To: bpcs-l@midrange.com To: bpcs-l@midrange.com Subject: OGS pricing Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:32:21 +0000 Sounds like extortion to me... I heard from a few users at the BPCS conference a lot of people were dumping OGS and using an external helpline service. We use Advanced Systems and Products, as I've heard most others do also. The only downside I see is not getting access to the latest version of BPCS, but since management wants to see how things at SSA shake out over the next 2-3 years, we won't be upgrading any time soon anyway... Brian Cormier Mgr. of Acct. ------------------------------------------------------ What's everyone think about the new OGS pricing schematics. If you have not seen them, here you go: ------ 1 YEAR Option ------- 18% = Keys, Phone Support, OGS On-Line, BMRs, Updates, Upgrades 12% = Keys, Phone Support, OGS On-Line, BMRs 9% = Keys, Phone Support 6% = Keys For us, this equates to over 20% increase over this year's price. Last year we trimmed 200 users off of our license to reduce the price. This year, I'm not sure what we can do. Anyone had any luck negotiating these terms? Gary Johnson Applications Dev. Manager International Wire Group, Insulated Division _______________________________________________ This is the SSA's BPCS ERP System (BPCS-L) mailing list To post a message email: BPCS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/bpcs-l or email: BPCS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/bpcs-l. _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp _______________________________________________ This is the SSA's BPCS ERP System (BPCS-L) mailing list To post a message email: BPCS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/bpcs-l or email: BPCS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/bpcs-l._________________________________________________________________ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp _______________________________________________ This is the SSA's BPCS ERP System (BPCS-L) mailing list To post a message email: BPCS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/bpcs-l or email: BPCS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/bpcs-l.
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