Re: XML, RPG, Web Services, Joe = Holy War was ->RE: Re : Modify the IE Browser

I'm going to kick myself for extending this already bloated
conversation....but...I have to agree with most of what Brad says. I've
personally written web and web-type apps in RPG-CGI, Perl, Java (tomcat,
servlets, jsp, etc..) and VB and .Net....and by far....for an AS/400
programmer who has never had the time, opportunity or motivation to learn
another language,  RPG-CGI is by FAR! the easiest way to go.

I mean crap!  Write one or two basic RPG-CGI programs and copy and modify
them to your hearts content as needed. Have one RPG person write a skeleton
progam and give it to any other RPG programmer in your shop, regardless of
their web-skills, and you can take a 60 year old RPG Programmer who maybe
started on on a System 3 or whatever and have them writing web applications
in about a week. And they work. And they are stable.

What's the big deal here?  If you know RPG...use RPG.  If you know Java or
have the time and ability to learn it....use Java. If you want to use Perl,
use Perl.

My point is....Who gives a rat's pu-tootie?

This thread has grown beyond all good sense.


Shannon O'Donnell


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Stone" <brad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries" <web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: XML, RPG, Web Services, Joe = Holy War was ->RE: [WEB400]Re :
Modify the IE Browser


> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:23:32 -0700
>  "Eyers, Daniel" <daniel.eyers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I'm going to regret this..... (feeling trolled)
> > Ok, how does IBM make $$$$ from me writing Java?  Seems
> > like RPG-CGI is *more* of a rip-off.  Does RPG-CGI run
> > *outside*
> > the 400?  Seems like if I learn RPG-CGI and nothing else,
> > I'm forever locked into iSeries.  Doesn't IBM benefit
> > *more*
> > from RPG-CGI than Java?
>
> Easy.  Websphere (yes, i'm sure you use tomcat... ha..),
>  more hardware to run the Java and/or Websphere.  A LOT
> more
>
> And, don't forget those nice little jars that software
> companies are selling now so you can connect to other DBs
>
>
> I wouldn't call something (ie RPG) that is free a "ripoff"
> just because you can't move it off an OS that will never go
> away (especially with IT groups that take the word of IBM
> as that of the messiah).
>
> Also, I highly doubt people writing java are writing
> portable java.  Just because it's java, doesn't make it
> portable.  But, again, I'm sure you write 100% portable
> Java.  ;)
>
> As far as IBM no longer supporting Classic HTTP SErver,
> yes, I already stated that was probably the only reason.
>  But why they no longer support it... that's an eternal
> mystery.  Make me do 50 times more work to do the same
> thing.  Make it based on a highly used open source
> application that has more security loopholes.
>
> Oh ya, Apache is cool and "the most used."  Guess we should
> all sell our SUVs and by Ford Taurus' (or is it the Camry
> now that is the most sold car?)
>
> > Java as hyped technology?  Someone should tell Microsoft.
>
> Heard it all before...  If people take so much clout in M$
> and are worried about IBM dropping the AS/400, get yourself
> a server farm and Windows and combine 75 Domains into
> three.. err.. save millions of dollars... (I love that
> commercial.. think that's beer in the blue cups?)
>
> > FWIW... There is an elegance of columnar RPG.  With it's
> > fixed column format and limited instruction set, you can
> > really
> > fly when you are coding.  RPG is a wonderful thing (for
> > it's niche) but to use it for web apps is (IMHO) like
> > putting
> > lipstick on a pig; it doesn't really help much and just
> > pisses off the pig.
>
> Your cute metaphore still doesn't tell me why RPG is no
> good for the web.  And there is free form RPG now.  100
> cute metaphores still won't equal 1 good reason.  :)
>
> Until next time...  I'll still be waiting my friend.
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