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Re: PTF install questions



fixed

This sounding like a stupid question, even to me: But:

Change from P to T, PWRDWNSYS RESTART*YES *FULL)

Or, is Change P to T, PWRDWNSYS RESTART(*NO) and white button the only way?

Maybe, just maybe, I can get this fixed Sunday night. Or just put things
in motion for a hopeful fix in a random number of weeks.

John McKee


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:29 AM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

That could be your problem. Running a power system on P is like running
an AS/400 on the A side. Just like you'll play heck applying PTF's to IBM
i when running on the A side you'll have a hard time applying firmware
fixes when running on the P side.
Been a long time since I cracked open the display on my power 6 to look at
it. Just so used to using the HMC. Yep, mine is on T.


Rob Berendt
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From: John McKee <jmmckee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 08/29/2013 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: PTF install questions
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



Front panel is P.

Same as DSPPTF

John McKee


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Roberto José Etcheverry Romero <
yggdrasil.raiker@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The front panel says T but the system still says P? that's weird. A Deep
IPL is the only thing left to try, thats, pwrdwnsys restart *NO, wait
until
power led blinks and front panel says 01 B N and pull the plug. wait a
minute and reconnect. If that doesnt change it to T then there is some
black magic at work.

Keep us posted


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:09 AM, John McKee <jmmckee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Still shows P side.

My only concern with this mismatch, at this point, is whether this
triggers
a "gotcha" at some point, deep in the upgrade process. I do not want
to
go
through that again.

People have been complaining about the announced downtimes. They were
informed by email. Who reads email??? This either has to be
forgotten
totally, or at least for several more weeks.

John McKee


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Roberto José Etcheverry Romero <
yggdrasil.raiker@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Can you try this again?
DSPPTF SELECT(*ACTRQD)
shows eight MH PTFs - 1076, 1073, 1070, 1053, 1007, 1004, 1001,
0997.
All
permantly applied. All show "Permanently applied - IPL". IPL
source
is
##MACH#B ##SERV#P.
I want to see if it did change to T side.
After all, when the OS controls the fw updates it updates it during
a
*full
*yes restart so it should work. And to ammend something i said
before.
A
PWRDWNSYS *FULL restart *YES does a FSP reset only when a ptf
applies a
new
fw or when you change the fw side (from T to P or viceversa).
AH! i just remembered where i saw that "Permanently Applied - IPL".
I
had
to replace a FSP on a machine. My FSP had greater levels than the
PTFs
on
the OS so it always was marked like that. Never knew if they finally
got
up
to date on PTFs but a lastest-cumulative-install should have cleared
that.
I dont think IBM goes around replacing Service Processors all day so
i
doubt it's your case...

Best Regards,

Roberto


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:23 AM, John McKee
<jmmckee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Tried it this morning. It did NOT. No errors. Only additional
entry
in
history log from GO LICPGM was "Server IPL required".


John McKee


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:51 AM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well, that "on a non partitioned, non hmc-managed system a
restart
with
*FULL restart *YES will trigger a full server restart including
the
FSP"
is good news.


Rob Berendt
--
IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1
Group Dekko
Dept 1600
Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





From: Roberto José Etcheverry Romero
<yggdrasil.raiker@xxxxxxxxx

To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <
midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
,
Date: 08/28/2013 05:44 PM
Subject: Re: PTF install questions
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



Yes, on a non partitioned, non hmc-managed system a restart with
*FULL
restart *YES will trigger a full server restart including the
FSP.
I've seen clients running from A side since the machine was
installed
(one
even had QBASE as the controlling subsystem....)

Best Regards,

Roberto


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 6:30 PM, John McKee <
jmmckee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

This is a 520. No LPARs. No HMC.

Will restart *YES *FULL fix it? I think I read (was away from
desk)
that
this won't work with LPARs. But will it work with p05?

John McKee


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Roberto José Etcheverry
Romero <
yggdrasil.raiker@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I think this is one of those p5 machines with TwinAx/Lan
consoles
(i
support lot's of them). In that no-partition case, it works
as
intended,
a
*full restart does exactly what it says it does. Of course
if
we're
talking
about partitions there should be NO way to update the FW
from
the
LPAR
(as
you've say lot's of times, FW MUST be HMC controlled for it
not
to
go
way
too new for the hmc code) and a full restart can only be
achieved
from
the
HMC (either the system stays on "standby" or shutdowns when
the
last
partition is off, either way you must start it manually).

I can count at least 4 systems off the top of my head that
are
non-partitioned, non-hmc-managed and were installed just a
few
months
back.
Fresh from the factory 720 express, lan console. Seems like
hmc
is
too
expensive for some, on those systems it still works...

Best Regards,


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:11 PM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

A full 'server' ipl cannot be done with RESTART(*YES). You
must
use
RESTART(*NO). Otherwise you're just IPLing that lpar and
not
the
whole
box. (Yes, this isn't your father's AS/400.) So, to do a
full
server
IPL
remotely (without an HMC) would probably require either
operations
console
or lan console. This will give you a gui picture of the
control
panel.
So
after the system has powered all the way off you could
press
the
white
button via the control panel picture on lan/operations
console.


Rob Berendt
--
IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1
Group Dekko
Dept 1600
Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
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From: John McKee <jmmckee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
,
Date: 08/28/2013 03:34 PM
Subject: Re: PTF install questions
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



I wondered about that this morning. Debated on whether to
do
it
or
not.
From previous messages exchanged with Rob, I was not sure
if
that
would
have made a difference.

I started the IPL from my apartment (long boring story).
Got
to
desk
and
terminal session was down. My DEVD had ONLINE (*NO). I
have
since
changed
it to *YES. In theory, now, I could then perform a full
IPL
remotely
and
fix this minor irritant. Am I right?

John


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Roberto José Etcheverry
Romero <
yggdrasil.raiker@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ah! i know what your problem is...
Front panel, does it perchance read: 01 B N V=F P? it
should
read
01
B
N
V=F T. In the same way you have A side and B side for
LIC
you
have
P
and
T
(permanent and temporal) sides for the FSP's firmware.
You
are
IPL'ing
from
P which is the same as IPLing from A and expecting ptfs
to
be
loaded.
Next time, do a PWRDWNSYS but take care that it's a
*FULL
and
not
a
*SYS
one. It'll restart the FSP and load the correct fw.

Best Regards!



On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:15 PM, John McKee
<jmmckee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Finally did.

DSPPTF SELECT(*ACTRQD)
shows eight MH PTFs - 1076, 1073, 1070, 1053, 1007,
1004,
1001,
0997.
All
permantly applied. All show "Permanently applied -
IPL".
IPL
source
is
##MACH#B ##SERV#P.

Displaying general information for 5722999 MH01076
shows
Server
IPL
required ##SERV#T

Sticking my neck way out - does this imply that a
second
IPL
from
"B"
side
will fix?

We had PTFs temp applied on "B" for years. We are
IPLed,
now,
on
"B".
Did
IPL this morning only end up syncing B and A sides,
and
another
IPL
will
fix it?

DSPPTF LICPGM(5722SS1) shows most recent (?) cum as
TC10292.

I have applied PTFs suggested in (I have three
documents
don't
remember
which one) manuals for v5r4 to v61 maybe v71 (mind is
going).
Will
look
through the docs a lot more to be sure nothing was
missed.
Since
things
are working, predictably, is there any point in
loading a
more
recent
CUME? I know you guys with LOADS more experience say
link
loader
is
no
longer an issue. But, is there any point to loading a
CUME
to
get
to
next
level if upgrade PTFs are permanently applied?

John McKee
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