Re: native I/O is NOT using SQL -- (was: Time to get serious)

Ok, thanks Mark.  I'm sure I was told wrong or
misunderstood...  It was some time ago.  :)

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:25:12 -0700
 "Mark S. Waterbury" <mark.s.waterbury@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi, Brad:
> 
> You may have heard that somewhere, but that was incorrect
> and misleading!
> 
> Both "native I/O" (as in COBOL or RPG, etc.) and SQL
> share many of the same
> "common data management" routines in OS/400 (ones that
> begin with "QDB...")
> 
> For example, OPNQRYF and Query/400 and SQL all use the
> same internal
> "query engine" ... QQQQRY.
> 
> And, a physical *FILE and an SQL table use the same
> underlying MI objects.
> 
> But this is hardly the same thing as what you are
> suggesting, that the
> system
> is somehow converting ALL "native" I/O into SQL ... !!!
> 
> I hope that helps?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark S. Waterbury
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brad Stone" <brad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion"
> <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 2:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: Time to get serious
> >
> > On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:43:23 -0600
> >  "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > From: Brad Stone
> > > >
> > > > Doesn't native I/O (read, chain, etc) use SQL down
> in
> > > the
> > > > bowels of the system anyhow?
> > >
> > > Not for everything.  Certainly not for single record
> > > CHAINs.
> >
> > I swear I heard it somewhere a while back RPG I/O gets
> > converted to SQL somewhere down the line...  I could be
> > wrong, but I would be interested in hearing from
> Barbara on
> > this...  if anything for curiosity.
> >
> > > > To me, it sounds like you are trying to market for
> your
> > > > gain here.  :)  Don't take that the wrong way.  I
> agree
> > > > with it, but it's sort of weighted to one of your
> > > > solutions, isn't it?
> > >
> > > This is baseless and a tad offensive.  You can use
> > > embedded SQL and
> > > PSC/400 will work fine.
> > >
> >
> > Not talking about PCS.  Not baseless, since it is a
> major
> > part of your sessions and teaching these days.  And it
> > certainly wasn't meant to be offensive.  It's just that
> if
> > IBM were to use your marketing idea, it would be easy
> to
> > see you saying "see, IBM says exactly what I do!"  I'm
> sure
> > it's easy to see that.
> >
> > >
> > > > What language was designed to format HTML?  Can't
> be
> > > the
> > > > big "J".  Unless you're taking their old marketing
> and
> > > > turning it around on them.  I'd never thought of
> Java
> > > as a
> > > > language designed to format HTML.  But many have
> tried
> > > to
> > > > use that as a reason to move to it.  :)
> > >
> > > Java was designed to run in cable converter boxes, if
> you
> > > want to get
> > > specific about it.  Then it was redefined as a Web
> > > serving language.  It
> > > took several releases before you could even run it
> > > outside of a browser.
> >
> > To me, it was marketed as a web language moreso to sell
> > products like websphere and get people away from "free"
> RPG
> > or other web solutions.  I always thought of it as a
> decent
> > platform, where portability (when done right) was it's
> > strongpoint.  Mediocre with other aspects that are more
> > important to me.
> >
> > I'm not arguing with you Joe.  I've been preaching
> "your"
> > argument that RPG is the best for years now.  So have
> > others.
> >
> > Join us, don't fight us!  :)
> >
> > Brad
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