RE: Time to get serious -- MIDRANGE-L

I guess as the rookie of this group I should keep my mouth shut, but hey
my mother always told me I have a big mouth :)

I have been using C and C++ for over 20 years, I like the language and
what it can do.  It is ** NOT ** the end all for everything.  I have
also used VB and Java for over 5 years, they have their good points,
although I think VB is only good for gui front ends.

I have recently purchased my own iseries (170-2290) for use at home to
learn RPG and I have also purchased one for our office (for a report
system and green screens are exactly what we need, not html, java, etc.)
but not because I hate C, java, VB, or anything else.  It is the right
language for what we need to do.  Green bar reports. Not to mention that
transportation companies prefer the stability of the iseries.

I've said all that to say that although I have fell in love with the
hardware and the 400 platform (iseries, i5 or whatever you prefer to
call it) because it serves my purpose, Microsoft be damned.

Douglas


-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Pluta
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:17 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Time to get serious


> From: Brad Stone
> 
> > > To me, it sounds like you are trying to market for your gain here.

> > > :)  Don't take that the wrong way.  I agree with it, but it's sort

> > > of weighted to one of your solutions, isn't it?
> >
> > This is baseless and a tad offensive.  You can use
> > embedded SQL and
> > PSC/400 will work fine.
> >
> 
> Not talking about PCS.  Not baseless, since it is a major part of your

> sessions and teaching these days.

Hey, Brad, my teaching is about the best way to do things.  I teach
people to use all kinds of things, and I make sure they use the right
tool for the right job.  And it is offensive, because I don't question
your motivation when every other post of yours is about RPG-CGI, even
though it is the worst possible architecture for web serving.


> It's just that if
> IBM were to use your marketing idea, it would be easy to
> see you saying "see, IBM says exactly what I do!"  I'm sure it's easy 
> to see that.

Hey, Brad?  If IBM uses my marketing idea, it's because it's a good
idea.  I can't believe you're questioning the motivation of my advocacy
of the iSeries.  Why don't you talk to some IBMers and see what they
think.


> To me, it was marketed as a web language moreso to sell products like 
> websphere and get people away from "free" RPG or other web solutions.

Java was marketed as a web language by Sun Microsystems, after it was
renamed from Oak.  You really might want to read up on the history of
Java sometime.


> I'm not arguing with you Joe.  I've been preaching "your" argument 
> that RPG is the best for years now.  So have others.

You don't preach anything LIKE my argument.  You and your RPG-X
goofiness argues the worst reasons to stay with RPG - basically you
don't like Java.  The truth is that the right answer is an amalgam of
all things: RPG, Java, SQL, native, CL, REXX, you name it.  And the
iSeries provides that capability better than any other platform.

Joe

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