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Yes, I can see that, and that has almost always been our concern.  I can
see the benefit of having an end to end solution but I don't think it
always applies in all business cases.  However, in the smaller end - how
many times would any of us customers have preferred to put a small iSeries
out in the field but we couldn't afford it.......and perhaps if it was
available we would use OS/400 on a wrist watch. The question was valid, it
seems however, that our definition of scalable is about as consistent as to
what's wrong with iSeries marketing...... :-)





                                                                           
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I agree.  Scalability only ever means "up" in planner's minds.  The dread
is
that the company suddenly outgrow it's back office and not be able to send
product, invoices, or payables.  That is the real issue in my experience.



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Date: 02/08/05 13:25:49

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Subject: RE: Scalability



The issue here as most posts have pointed out is that no one can agree to

scalability or to it's actual relevance.  No offense to the put it on a

watch people but I'm not sure how relevant that might be to my perspective

of what is scalable and how it is good for my business.  While scaling down

to a diminutive form is of some business sense to some people, the benefits

of what I get out of the iSeries and OS/400 don't necessarily themselves

scale down to a smaller side.  And based on the integrated nature of the

product (both hardware and software) I would fully expect it to be harder

to justify the cost and technical effort to get it there.  Of course, that

is my perspective on scalable.........I fully understand that others won't

agree.  But as mentioned before, that is my personal, professional, and

business take on scalable.  It's not the only way but it definitely

works......















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May I ask a tangential question here?  I have long wondered about something

pertaining to this discussion of unix & iSeries.  Do unix shops deploy

Windows PCs or do they deploy Linux or some variant?   Is the iSeries

pretty

well committed to needing Windows workstations?  When one is discussing

scalability doesn't unix's ability to fill the need from keyboard to server

give unix the edge?  In general what is the discussion one would make about

unix and the user workstations?







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From: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion



Date: 02/08/05 12:08:49



To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion



Subject: RE: Scalability







On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Jones, John (US) wrote:







> To see how valid these claims about how much more expensive iSeries pros



> are than Unix pros, I ran the following.  The numbers are approximate



> for a large metropolitan area but should be fairly close based on what



> I've observed. Please feel free to adjust and comment.







Interesting numbers, but they all assume more unix pros are needed than



iSeries pros.  Why would you make such an assumption?  All the numbers in



the world showing how much more expensive unix guys are over iSeries guys



are pointless if your initial assumption is wrong.  Indeed, in my shop and



my customers' iSeries pros outnumber unix 2 to 1, yet in my shop unix



machines outnumber iSeries 4 to 1.  My customers all have the same number



of unix machines as iSeries.







James Rich







It's not the software that's free; it's you.



   - billyskank on Groklaw



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