RE: Also Leaving MidRange Equipment -- MIDRANGE-L

Maybe you can't use the existing sizable pool of skilled professionals. 
Let's face it, you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. 
 If you've tried conferences, education, etc to get these people to start 
using WDSC, etc and they still refuse to grow then it's time to let them 
work on the routine maintenance and brink on the new talent.  Why would 
anyone put a dime into an RPG person for Java education when said person 
refuse to use a subprocedure or a service program?  If they can't grasp 
that, they sure aren't going to grasp Java.

Rob Berendt
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OK, lets say I like this approach and want to use the existing sizable 
pool
of skilled professionals that have a bias for the iSeries.  How do you 
bring
the 5250 mind-set to GUI?



I think of IBM's Visual Age RPG product which actually works, uses our
skills, and is free.  We turned it down with a huge ho-hum.  I think of
Code/400 and the advantages IBM has given us for editing our old and new
code.  Another huge ho-hum.  I think of iSeries Code Studio as another 
huge
ho-hum.



How do we convince management that the iSeries is a competitive advantage
over the organizations laboring with Microsoft solutions or trying to 
manage
a business with the various cookie-cutter ERP products out there.





 

 

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Good point.  When Domino came out on the iSeries they started selling

iSeries like hotcakes.  And even to shops without any iSeries.  That's

what we're talking about.

 

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I've been on Midrange equipment since 1982 (s/34, s/38, as/400), and I'm

convinced for ease of end-user use, maintenance, and dependability,

nothing

beats the iSeries.  Heck, even programming is a snap if you take a

methodological approach.

 

However, the iSeries has a lack of "sexy" mission-critical packages using

a GUI

front-end.  And screen-scraping technology left a bad taste in the mouths

of

early-adopters in the 90s.

 

What the iSeries community of developers must do to keep the platform

viable is

to take a look at the "best-of-breed" packages out there, running in unix

and

Windows environments, then write our own.  Once written, the TCO will

close the

business.  The problem is that software is perceived to be "behind the

curve"

if its not browser-based or has a GUI.  Unfortunately, the customer is

always

right, so we must give them browser or GUI based apps whether it makes

technological sense or not.

 

William

 

 

> date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:47:21 -0500 (EST)

> from: Don <dr2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

> subject: RE: Also Leaving MidRange Equipment

>

>

>

> On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, Joe Pluta wrote:

>

> > And so it's our job to reach out.  That's part of why I joined my

local

> > user group.  We need to get the word out.  We need to touch those who

>

> Joe, I'm  the President of my LUG...have been for a long time, I'm the

> founder and past chair of the COMMON LUG committee...  What was it you

> didn't think I knew about the marketplace again???

>

> As for getting the word out, it is the absolute max in gall that we

should

> HAVE to do what a multi BILLION dolloar corporation refuses to

> do...promote their products properly...  Hasn't anyone really asked

> themselves WHY?

>

> The Super Bowls over...what will most people remember???  Bud, Pepsi and

> Fedex ads....gee....  Isn't anyone asking the obviouse questions?

>

> Joe, we're not at war here...but frankly, I'm fielding calls REGULARLY

> from LUG members both local and accross the nation....and LUG Directors

> from accross the nation...and they're all telling me the same thing that

I

> posted in my previous email that you took so much time to rebuff... Now,

> looking at the trends, as they are presented to me by LUG leaders around

> the US (and world!), as well as our own membership, I think that you

have

> a bit of learning curve ahead of you when it comes to what's actually

> going on in the iSeries marketplace and why....and it's not

pretty....and

> I really take no relish in saying that as I'm the middle of it as well.

>

> I'm glad you joined your LUG.  ALL LUG's can use good minds and

leadership

> and I know OMNI does a great job for the folks in Chicago.  I wish

others

> would join their LUGs...LUGs are GREAT! :)

>

> > IBM just doesn't get it yet.  I don't know if they ever will.

>

> As you said... DUH   ...which makes you wonder why....!

>

 

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