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John, The first paragraph might have been targeted to you, if you are the one who noted the 700+ .net problems. The second one was more targeted to the original author, and to the rest of us who haven't honed up on their web skills and whipped out a few. Rob Berendt -- Group Dekko Services, LLC Dept 01.073 PO Box 2000 Dock 108 6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 http://www.dekko.com "John Brandt Sr." <pgmr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 12/30/2004 08:57 AM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject RE: Why NOT the web? Well, Rob, I wouldn't know which would be the right answer. I've only been developing Web sites for about 10 years and at least 6 of those ON AS/400's, iSeries and i5's, so I think I can prove the concept. Yes, it works. John Brandt iStudio400.com (903) 523-0708 Home of iS/ODBC - MSSQL access from iSeries and RPG. -----Original Message----- From: rob@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:rob@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:30 AM To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: RE: Why NOT the web? Is this the same as searching PTF's for "Integrity Problem" because there are a load of them for each version of OS/400. However if the issue is making it web accessible, It's PAST time to look at the tools on the i5. Not that I follow what I am preaching, but doing some web programs, if only for proof-of-concept, in your past spare time might have been a good idea. Rob Berendt -- Group Dekko Services, LLC Dept 01.073 PO Box 2000 Dock 108 6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 http://www.dekko.com "John Brandt Sr." <pgmr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 12/29/2004 06:51 PM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject RE: Why NOT the web? I'll only be able to give you 732 of them. This will search MS Security for a product that has only been out for a while. (.net) It will only search for security flaws in the .net product. Results are below. I'd do one on the iSeries (OS/400 and i5/OS), but I'm thinking that would be pretty fruitless. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/results.aspx?freetext=&productID=C9C8FCFB -BFF3-40CA-B59D-216F6850000A&DisplayLang=en **************************************************************************** ********** Search Results Sort results by PopularityTitleDate ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No keywords specified ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Category: All | Product/Technology: .NET 732 results found, 1-10 shown below. Sorted by Popularity. **************************************************************************** ********** 732 just for .net... It's safe, secure and probably works, although the last time I searched for patches for .net there were over 2,000. I didn't wade through them. John Brandt iStudio400.com (903) 523-0708 Home of iS/ODBC - MSSQL access from iSeries and RPG. -----Original Message----- From: ron_adams@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ron_adams@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 5:25 PM To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: Re: Why NOT the web? I don't have one good reason why not, but many. Just look at how stable and secure the Microsoft platform is (not). (Take cover) Sounds like somebody sold the emperor a new, invisible suit. I've seen it before where a company will invest heavily into a technology before they really understand it's strengths AND weaknesses, only to find out much later that it has MANY weaknesses and doesn't really fit their needs. Unfortunately, much later comes after much money. Thanks, Ron Adams "Art Tostaine, Jr." <atostaine@xxxxxxxxx> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 12/29/2004 04:44 PM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc: Fax to: Subject: Why NOT the web? I have a customer that wants to re-develop their entire "ERP" solution using .NET. The stuff they have rewritten already, for instance, will replace my RPG Pick Ticket Entry. Pick Ticket is really nothing more than an order. Header/detail transactional stuff. Most of the pick tickets come in through EDI and other methods, but nearly all of them are reviewed on screen and manifested for delivery. There are other procedures, like manual carton reallocation, Wave picks, etc, that are all in RPG SFL's, and some C/S using windows Visual screens, which they like very much. My RPG stuff prints 100,000+ labels a day. IT's lots of records, lots of database searches, lots of EDI's, etc. Actually, when I say web, I mean browser based. They will use IE. I've told them that the web is not for this kind of stuff, it's for customer service, inquiries, simple ordering, etc. They've asked me to tell them why. So, even though I KNOW it's wrong to go that way, I can't think of how to make my point. How would YOU tell them? I'm hoping Joe Pluta is listening. This one is right up his alley. The customer in question used to be a big one for me, but lately, not. I guess it's because they are moving to .NET, but that's no skin off my nose. I'll stay busier for the long run because the .NET thing will never work. This to me is a classic example of, let's get off the 400 and go to .NET because it's on TV. It's got to be good. BTW, the examples I've seen have no capabilty for search screens, like customer name, terms codes, etc. The Indian Liason says that's not possible on the web. My reply to my customer was, isn't that enough proof that the web isn't good for this stuff, but apparently it isn't. I've written some very nice inquiry stuff using Lansa for the Web, and I have nice search screens :-) Something strange is going on at this company, because everyone they show the project to says it's awful and not close to completion, except for the main guy who green lighted it in the first place. The execs think that people like me will just tell them it's awful because I will lose my job, but that's not how I work. They think the employees in IT that are going to be outsourced are trying to save their jobs. They've just given the Indian another payment so he can continue. I think someone is on the take, but that's another story. I guess really I'm asking for my own knowledge, since I don't hope to convince anyone at this future out of business company (FOOBCO). Thanks. -- Art Tostaine (GMAIL) CCA, Inc. 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