Mike, You've got a couple of things in there that are gospel. 1) Creating decent views. Even before I started adopting SQL I used DDS to join multiple files together. Now all the user has to do is query the view instead of joining this to that. Much better, (and less risky). The first thing that other tools do is have you prebuild a lot of queries for your users - in effect, building these same views. 2) Your last paragraph about turning over these tools to the users versus having them duplicate data to Access, or an Oracle based datamart; is right on. Rob Berendt -- Group Dekko Services, LLC Dept 01.073 PO Box 2000 Dock 108 6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 http://www.dekko.com Mike Eovino <meovino@xxxxxxxxx> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 10/06/2004 06:46 PM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Fax to Subject Re: MIS Departmental improvements On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:43:02 -0500, rob@xxxxxxxxx <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I am not in the camp that all reporting must be strictly controlled by the > MIS department and that all queries, etc must be generated by them. > Normally what happens in a shop like this is that a second system is built > up and a bunch of data gets duplicated and the users look more and more at > the iSeries, and the IS department, as being inflexible. All you need is a 5250 client that does file transfers and you're looking at a nightmare of Excel spreadsheets and Access databases. And just wait until they hire some MS Office jockey and start writing "mission critical" Access databases. Think it can't happen? That's how I got into our IT department. I was too dangerous on the outside. God help you when you have key parts of your business running on MS Access. > We have our users use queries. And they can modify them also. We've had > users upload PC data to the iSeries because they found Query/400 a great > tool. And they used that for their reporting. How about that. The iSeries is a better reporting tool than some PC stuff. Rob, you oughta do commercials. I led the push for ASC's SEQUEL query and report tool around here, and we're piloting it with end users right now (programmers have had it for about a year and the ones that use it are hooked). The users love it, provided we can tell them where the data lives and that the indexes over the files are halfway decent. You will need to create new ones. Be prepared to spend some time with your end users if you want them using tools like this. Also be prepared to create snapshot datasets for them. If your database is like ours, you don't want users joining five files to get the answer they want. Make it easy. It's worth the time and the DASD. Pretty soon, they'll have their own little data mart, and they'll feel special. If they need new data, add it and add it fast. This can only make you look good. When users start taking their reports to their bosses (hopefully Director/VP level personnel) and tell them how great it is, IT's value will skyrocket in their eyes. Instead of being an obstacle to getting the users what they need, you are the provider of the solution. And the best part is, the users are doing most of the work for themselves. Some of my bosses were hesitant to release SEQUEL to the user population. I convinced them that the alternatives (more Access databases -- or worse, a data mart running on Oracle) were far worse than the work involved with rolling out SEQUEL. Mike E. -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l.
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