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This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] 'Why change what is working?' Are you saying that IBM, or the vendors, are not changing the iseries because of this attitude? Actually IBM has made hundreds of changes to the software, and the hardware. Granted, the vendors are extremely slow to take advantage of these changes because of the misguided attitude that they need to support obsolete versions of the operating system. How many vendors in the wintel world only write their applications if they will continue to support DOS on a dual diskette machine? 'Performance hit of the new function for the minimal gain' Granted some of the releases have had some performance impact. But they've always had new features. If you choose to label these 'minimal gain' that's your opinion. What does a native gui buy you? A windows server has a native gui but whoever attaches to a windows server directly and not via another client? Never more than one! What is native: - hard wired programming burned into a chip on a 'dumb' terminal - be it 5250, ascii, xwindows, etc - Netstation that boots up from the iseries - a generic monitor and keyboard with a 20 mile long extension cable - a linux or unix client - a wintel client I think a native gui is a marketing ploy that won't sell. Granted, some of the features you want aren't there, but Konrad, if they were would you be any happier, if it wasn't 100%? Rock solid stability of the older os's? I bet people would still be reporting bugs on these - if they were still supported. It's like people complaining that CODE/400 doesn't do this or that which SEU does. Why aren't they complaining that SEU doesn't do this or that which CODE/400 does? Rob Berendt -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin Konrad Underkofler <kdunderk@hoshizaki.com> Sent by: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com 08/16/2002 02:30 PM Please respond to midrange-l To: "'midrange-l@midrange.com'" <midrange-l@midrange.com> cc: Fax to: Subject: RE: 5.1 upgrade Rob, I think you still miss the point. The iSeries market is declining for many reasons, one of which is its success. Why change what is working? Clearly people would upgrade and pay substantial amounts for software subscription if they were getting value out of it. Software vendors don't use new features because they know their customers won't upgrade to the latest level or buy the prerequisite machine because of the performance hit of the new function for the minimal gain. The cycle repeats, only to be broken when releases are not a 100 page tiny print pain in the butt to put on, some new fantastic feature such as a real native 400 gui comes out (not in my lifetime!) or the vendors find something that improves their product. The major vendors have all wandered off to other operating systems that have great gui support, advanced SQL, massive redundancy, SAN support, distributed processing, enhanced reliability, etc... (because of what their customers wanted) Had a great email the other day that looked at the reverse side of the "greenstreak" program which I think is great. It made the statement that "greenstreak" would not be necessary if the iSeries offered the same advance in fuctions it used to. Where is the gui, the database support, ifs file system performance, and the advanced development environment that would set it ahead of everyone else not just participating in the me too java world? We still fight issues on a daily basis that stop being issues on many other systems 10 years ago! So the result is customers take advantage of the best of the iSeries, the rock solid performance of the older machines and mature OS's. They ignore the new stuff because the $$$ and pain involved do not offset the gain. Regards Konrad PS The Mac Xserve will shortly go to twin 1.25ghz PowerPc chips and it has a real nice gui, even better to kill the high end 270s with for 10% of the cost, even after greenstreak. I still dream about IBM buying Apple and migrating OS/400 to coexist with OS X. Then we might have a killer low cost development machine with application tools galore, thousands of supported applications and wonderful performance. _______________________________________________ This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l.
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