RE: SRC code A1934505

Wow Philipp:
No apology necessary for your English, you should hear my German!
Thanks for the GREAT tips.  I will try this one day this week when I am
in the office with nothing else to do.  :)
If not, I will buy at 6607 and start over.  Not a problem.  Not sure my
backup was as complete as could be, but the machine is not a production
machine.
Cjg

Carl J. Galgano
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-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
[mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com] On Behalf Of Philipp Rusch
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 5:03 PM
To: midrange-l@midrange.com
Subject: Re: SRC code A1934505


Hello Carl,
(sorry for my english, it's not my mother's tongue)
I had to revive those "clicking drives" a several times, here are some
tips, but before you start: this is normally the last time you can power
on such a drive, so you better think before acting ! OK, here we go:
Without a look to SST/DST you are on your own to find out the failed
drive: If you are not exactly sure which of drives makes the noise, take
of everything which is not needed to run the drives ... with your model
600 this means to take off the front cover, loosen the screws of the
plate that covers the drive cage and put your ear at the drives while
starting up the machine. If you still cannot locate it, take a
srewdriver and put it on one drive after the other, like a doctor does
to check your lungs. The drives are started in sequence of the SCSI IDs,
one after the other, so you should have enough time to check each. Now
that you know the drive position (you sure do now !?), you power down
the system again. You take the back of a screwdriver (should not be very
heavy that part) and, while powering up again, you wait for "your" drive
to be the one and you knock against it. You should notice a different
noise from the motor trying to spin up the drive spindle, best moment is
when it just would try to "click". With some feeling you should get it
going ... good luck ! If this did still not help, then we got to go the
hard way ... Power down again, see the blue handle on the drive frame of
that particular drive, pull it until it comes out. Now the frame is
released and you can pull the drive out. OK, take a breath and KNOCK IT
flat on the floor with your hand above and around the drive frame
(I admit this takes some feeling)    :-)
Put it back in, until there is a slight resistance, then push the blue
plastic handle in again and power it up. Now you should not power off
the machine again, because this is normally the last time this drive
will spin up again. Sometimes it makes heavy noises, but most times I
did this, I got my data (my customers data) off the drives and then we
could safely replace it.

BTW: pulling the cable of the load source cannot help you, because the
drive set ist broken, then and you will not be able to get on your data
(I assume that you did not mirror or RAID-protect the drives).

If there are still questions open, don't hesitate to ask.

HTH, regards from germany, Philipp Rusch


Carl Galgano schrieb:

> I know there is a problem with one of the drives, it makes a clicking
> noise.  One of the guys I work with says that sometimes you can put a
> drive in the freezer to have it contract a bit, enough to get it to
> boot up and get the data off.  Looks like a reload is in my future.
> Thanks to Fritz and Steve for their comments.  And BTW, why is there
> not an SRC manual anywhere on line?  Seems like this is a no brainier.

> Or perhaps I am the no brainer, cause I could not find it.  The last
> SRC code manual I have came with an E04 system. cjg
>
> Carl J. Galgano
> EDI Consulting Services, Inc.
> 550 Kennesaw Avenue, Suite 800
> Marietta, GA  30060
> (770) 422-2995 - voice
> (419) 730-8212 - fax
> mailto:cgalgano@ediconsulting.com http://www.ediconsulting.com
> AS400 EDI, Networking, E-Commerce and Communications Consulting and
> Implementation
> http://www.icecreamovernight.com
> Premium Ice Cream Brands shipped Overnight
> FREE AS/400 Timesharing Service -
> http://www.ediconsulting.com/timeshare.html
> "You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know" - rw
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
> [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com] On Behalf Of Steve Richter
> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 11:09 AM
> To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: SRC code A1934505
>
> Carl,
>
> Looks like there is a problem with the load source drive.   I dont
know
> for
> sure, but you might be able to disconnect the scsi cable to the load
> source drive. ( Of course you need to know which is the load source
> drive, and I dont know <g> ) .  The load source may just be the first
> drive in the scsi chain of drives.  The ipl D may just be hard coded
> to write to the load source ( first ) drive.  If your first drive is
> failing, then the ipl D will fail.
>
> Steve Richter
> AutoCoder, LLC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Galgano" <cgalgano2@ediconsulting.com>
> To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 7:18 AM
> Subject: RE: SRC code A1934505
>
> > OK thanks.  I am not authorized to look at the link you reference,
> > but
>
> > thanks for the info. cjg
> >
> > Carl J. Galgano
> > EDI Consulting Services, Inc.
> > 550 Kennesaw Avenue, Suite 800
> > Marietta, GA  30060
> > (770) 422-2995 - voice
> > (419) 730-8212 - fax
> > mailto:cgalgano@ediconsulting.com http://www.ediconsulting.com AS400

> > EDI, Networking, E-Commerce and Communications Consulting and
> > Implementation http://www.icecreamovernight.com
> > Premium Ice Cream Brands shipped Overnight
> > FREE AS/400 Timesharing Service -
> > http://www.ediconsulting.com/timeshare.html
> > "You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know" - rw
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
> > [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com] On Behalf Of Fritz Hayes
> > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 11:13 PM
> > To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> > Subject: RE: SRC code A1934505
> >
> >
> > >From the Problem Analysis PDF referenced at the following link:
> >
> >
> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/pubs/html/as400/v4r5/ic2924/v4r5hwpdf/pd
> f/
> > model7xx.htm
> >
> > A1XX - 4505 Problem with load source device media
> >
> > Note: If the system has undergone a recent hardware upgrade, please
> > check the installation procedures for required corresponding
> > software upgrades.
> >
> > If the failing system is going through an IMPI to PowerPC AS upgrade
> and
> > the original IMPI load source disk unit is still associated with the

> > MFIOP, do the following:
> >
> > Change the address of the original IMPI load source disk unit so
> > that
> >
> > 1) the DSA is different than used on IMPI and
> >
> > 2) the PowerPC AS load source has a lower DSA than the original IMPI

> > load source.
> >
> > Failing Item:  FI00072
> >
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Fritz Hayes
> > Atwater Associates
> > 503-636-5914
> >
> > <snip>
> > | Subject: SRC code A1934505
> > |
> > | Here is the situation.
> > | AS/400, model 600-9406, running V4R2.
> > | Kept receiving critical messages that a DASD (6607) was about to
> fail.
> >
> > | So I tried to do a save to get the best back up possible.  The
> machine
> >
> > | was running fine, except for the impending DASD failure message.
> So,
> > I
> > | started an option 21 save.  That is when the trouble started.
> > | While doing the option 21 the machine hung with a B1000255 SRC.
> > | (Disk
> > failure
> > | I think).  So I powered it down to see if I could do a manual IPL,
> and
> > I
> > | can not.  Now no matter what IPL I try (A, B or D Manual or an A
> > | or
> B
> > | normal), the machine dies with an A1934505.  Anyone have any
> > | ideas?
> > The
> > | manual I have does not list this SRC code.
> >
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