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This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] To answer your questions: Why can't a server be added to a LAN with every expectation that it will not take over all the rest of the servers? Are you worried that V5R3 might take over all the Windows servers on the LAN? Of course not. That'd be outrageous. It'd be just as outrageous if it just took over all of the other OS400 operating systems it could find. Am I to understand from you that Win2K servers are so complex and confusing that a shop that has run Windows products in all configurations for 10+ years is not capable of installing a Win2K server and that an outside vendor must be brought in? Surely you jest. The viruses that have been plaguing the site are Windows-specific. Win2K is just the newest victim. Win2K is no more virus resistant than any of the rest of their LAN. All their Windows servers and desktops are being infected routinely and repeatedly. The clock is being badly set on the non-win2K desktops. The Win2K desktops work just fine. The address book requirements for the Microsoft mail services is complex and not very well defined, so far as we can find (and we've asked the experts). Add in the inability to provide normal e-mail service features that have been available since ELM and PINE; Well, its discouraging to the users that expect to have at least basic functionality. When you talk about V4R5 and V5R1 you are speaking about the same operating system with a fairly responsible trail of feature and function. We do not go from V4R5 to V7R3 with nothing in between. (interim fixes and patches are always temporarily applied and easily backed out for OS400, though, right?) It is not a matter of horse and cart unless you are suggesting that everyone should know that Win2K can not be installed succesfully by mere employees, and must be installed by $150+/hour specialists on to virgin hardware. The customer now understands that Win2K is really about consolidating the Windows franchise and is a first step in "embrace, extend, exterminate" for the internet. There is no new feature or function in Win2k that serves any other purpose. Your statement that Win2K is as complex as any other server operating system certainly has my agreement. I'd even agree that is more complex than most. I would add into this that the budget for IS people is a consideration. This is a LAN of about 200 desktops, an active web presence, and an ISeries machine. Big enough to justify an IS staff, too small to have intense specialization within the department. ------------------------------------------------ Booth Martin Booth@MartinVT.com http://www.MartinVT.com ----------------------------------------------- Booth, 0) I've used "you" several times below. That is just because it's easy, these remarks aren't necessarily directed toward you. 1) Never, _Never_, NEVER install software on a production lan as a "learning experience." That is what a test lab is for. 2) If they can't explain why the clock on several desktops (probably W2K Pro) had their time reset then they shouldn't be installing W2K servers. Time is an integral component in the Kerberos security protocol. W2K servers act as NTP servers to W2K clients resetting the clock to match the controlling NTP server, which itself probably looks to an external NTP server such as tick.usno.navy.mil. 3) A change in the network OS won't make viruses happen more often -- unless your virus checking software doesn't work on that OS. And you should know that by testing before deploying. 4) Installing W2K has increased the upkeep on your list server? Why? More people subscribing and unsubscribing now that you are on W2K 5) I've never seen uninstalling an OS as an option. Did I miss a screen on the GO LICPGM screen that says "Uninstall V5R1 and return to V4R5"???? 6) NOW they have hired a firm specializing in windows? Um, does the horse and the cart ring a bell? Or perhaps the barn door and the cow? 7) Does this client understand that Windows servers are servers first and windows second. W2K is NOT NOT NOT a big version of windows 9x/ME. It's a server operating system and it's as damn complex as any other.
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