RE: iSeries more stable than NT? Who says?

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Booth,

0) I've used "you" several times below. That is just because it's easy,
these remarks aren't necessarily directed toward you.

1) Never, _Never_, NEVER install software on a production lan as a "learning
experience." That is what a test lab is for.

2) If they can't explain why the clock on several desktops (probably W2K
Pro) had their time reset then they shouldn't be installing W2K servers.
Time is an integral component in the Kerberos security protocol. W2K servers
act as NTP servers to W2K clients resetting the clock to match the
controlling NTP server, which itself probably looks to an external NTP
server such as tick.usno.navy.mil.

3) A change in the network OS won't make viruses happen more often -- unless
your virus checking software doesn't work on that OS. And you should know
that by testing before deploying.

4) Installing W2K has increased the upkeep on your list server? Why? More
people subscribing and unsubscribing now that you are on W2K

5) I've never seen uninstalling an OS as an option. Did I miss a screen on
the GO LICPGM screen that says "Uninstall V5R1 and return to V4R5"????

6) NOW they have hired a firm specializing in windows? Um, does the horse
and the cart ring a bell? Or perhaps the barn door and the cow?

7) Does this client understand that Windows servers are servers first and
windows second. W2K is NOT NOT NOT a big version of windows 9x/ME. It's a
server operating system and it's as damn complex as any other.


 -----Original Message-----
From: booth@MartinVT.com [mailto:booth@MartinVT.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 1:02 PM
To: midrange-l@midrange.com
Subject: Re: iSeries more stable than NT? Who says?



Don, I'm involved with a site that had a reasonably reliable NT network site
and was experimenting and learning about Win2000 servers.  A Win2000 server
was installed on the LAN just as a learning experience.  The next  morning
the LAN was under the Win2000's control and has never worked right since.
The system works, but barely.  For example no one can explain why suddenly
several desktops are having their PC clock reset to a totally incorrect
time, Some of the Windows 2000 desktops just plain fail and can only be
rebooted by turning off the surge protector they're plugged into.  Response
times have slipped to the point that users are using their C drives for file
services, e-mail works but users are being pushed to Outlook and many of
them have no desire to go there,  Viruses occur regularly, even with an
aggressive Virus-checking software in place. Distribution lists and List
services have become a tot! al nightmare of constant upkeep and incorrect
results.

The obvious remedy is to uninstall the Win2000 server and go back to the NT
servers.  Not a choice, that's not allowed by the Win2000 server.   Finally
in desperation the client has hired a firm specializing in Windows server
software.  The firm admits they would like to try returning to NT but
they've never been successful in other attempts.  The IS director involved
was offered an attractive severance package, but it cost him his job.


------------------------------------------------
Booth Martin
Booth@MartinVT.com
http://www.MartinVT.com
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        Don <dr2@cssas400.com>
Sent by: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com


08/18/2001 12:35 PM
Please respond to midrange-l



        To:        midrange-l@midrange.com
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        Subject:        Re: iSeries more stable than NT?  Who says?





Dave,

I just had a major multi user win-2k pro desktop nuke it's registry... we
had several GOOD FULL SYSTEM STATE backups.  NONE, and I mean NONE would
restore...we could not get the registry or the user profile info to
restore correctly...we were in RELOAD...and I hear this is NOT an
anomoly.....

I was really pissed!

Yeah, it's alot more stable than 95 and 98...but...it still locks up.

Don in DC

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On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, David Bulog wrote:

> Windows 2000 AS is great,scales at a fraction of the costs to unix,
iseries
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jpcarr@tredegar.com>
> To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:36 AM
> Subject: iSeries more stable than NT? Who says?
>
>
> >
> > The  FAA  I guess.
> >
> > John Carr
> > --------------------------------
> >
> > LOTUS, ISERIES ON THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION RADAR
> > http://www.groupcomputing.com
> >
> > Lotus and the IBM eServer iSeries have taken off with the Federal
Aviation
> > Administration (FAA). The agency, which regulates the airline industry
in
> > the U.S., recently revamped its e-mail system to take advantage of a
> > Domino/Notes environment. By migrating to the messaging and
collaboration
> > infrastructure from the retired cc:Mail software, and testing Domino
> > performance on iSeries servers rather than those that run Microsoft
> Windows
> > NT, the FAA is looking for increased productivity and stability. "The
FAA
> > has been a loyal customer of Lotus for the past eight years," says
Steven
> > Murphy, the Lotus account manager for the U.S. Department of
> > Transportation. "They realized messaging is only a small part of the way
> > they do business and communicate among themselves."
> >
> > The announcement of cc:Mail's demise in 1997 forced the FAA to evaluate
> its
> > corporate communications infrastructure. The FAA discovered that what
> > sufficed in years past was inadequate by today's standards. Its
messaging
> > system had become outdated. The agency analyzed how its employees
> > communicated and developed requirements that included collaboration,
> > calendaring and scheduling, and document management. The FAA has
> > consolidated 850 cc:Mail mailboxes spread over 379 locations into 12
> server
> > locations. Two other projects, which haven't been implemented yet,
include
> > the deployment of extraneous software such as Sametime.
> >
> > The Aircraft Certification Service, a department within the FAA devoted
to
> > ensuring that airplanes are designed and manufactured safely, recently
> took
> > steps to optimize its Domino environment by moving from Microsoft NT
> > servers to the iSeries. The FAA hopes the switch will reduce the number
of
> > servers it must support and increase reliability of Web applications.
> > Running a Domino application on NT, "they are forced to reboot every
night
> > to keep the site up and running," says Tom Harrison, manager of Domino
> > administration at Computer Applications Specialists, Inc., the company
> that
> > consulted with the FAA on the migration. "They purchased two [iSeries]
> > servers because they heard it was a more stable platform [for Domino]."
> >
> > -- Jill R. Aitoro, Group Computing Industry Reporter
> >
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