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RE: Counting users

  • Subject: RE: Counting users
  • From: "Wills, Mike N. (TC)" <MNWills@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:53:40 -0500
 
...but look at how much time you spend switching from editing source, to the
compiler output, to a command line, etc. when you have one session. One of
my sessions almost always has WRKSPLF open and the other PDM. Yes, no known
human being can type in two sessions at once, but it also allows me to do
more than one thing at once.

Mike Wills
IT Corporate Support
MNWills@taylorcorp.com


-----Original Message-----
From: alan shore [mailto:SHOREA@dime.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:33 PM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: Re: Counting users


Yes, I am a programmer/analyst (or whatever the buzz word is today). 
Working for a savings and loan, we  are ruled by an outside governing body,
who declares, for any and every type of platform.... One signon, one
session. No arguments, no discussion, and as we rely on passing their audit,
guess which track we follow.

My next question follows on from there, 
Surely with a user signed on more than once (and that user can only work on
one session at a time (please read this last statement carefully--- no
matter how good you are, nobody [to my knowledge] can type into 2 separate
windows coherently at once) the system is somewhat degraded with multiple
interactive sessions. 

>>> <MWalter@hanoverwire.com> 07/31/01 03:00PM >>>

Alan,

Are you a programmer? Before PCs and CODE/400, I would have a session for
CL,RPG,DDS source and still another session with a command entry.  Just one
example.




Mark


Mark Walter
Sr. Programmer/Analyst
Hanover Wire Cloth a div of CCX, Inc.
mwalter@hanoverwire.com 
http://www.hanoverwire.com 
717.637.3795 Ext.3040


 

                    "alan shore"

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                    07/31/01 02:17 PM

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I'm sorry, but I have to start asking questions. I was hoping that it would
become much clearer once the answers started to appear, but that has'nt
happened.

Why has a User Profile the ability to sign onto the system more than once?
Surely, the user can only work on one session at a time. If so, why not
limit the number of sessions to 1 per User. What advantage would there be to
having more than 1 session per user?



>>> <rob@dekko.com> 07/31/01 01:02PM >>>

Have you thought about polling your customer base and see how many are
actually using dumb 5250 terminals?  You may retrieve many answers:
1)  Yes, but only 1 or two at our site, they are expendable
2)  No
3)  Yes, but please stop supporting them.  Therefore we can finally convince
management to dump them for PC's.
4)  Yes, and so many it would be a serious financial burden on us to change.
5)  I am using one here, (amidst dozens of PC's) and I'll whine and stomp my
feet if you stop supporting it. I have heard of option 3.  One vendor was
talking about doing a minimum supported version of OS, and that is what they
got. Anything other than 4 I wouldn't use as a reason to keep supporting
them. Heck your licensing issue may be a financial incentive for them to
upgrade the dumb terminal to a PC.

Please, let's not start the argument for dumb:
  training
  concentration of work effort vs games
  reliability
  dirty environments
I am trying to help him help his customers

Ron,

Perhaps you should also check out the 'key' api's and see if you can use
that technique.  ADDLICKEY and how to check.  This might be a good start:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/html/as400/v5r1/ic2924/info/apis/sw1.htm 

Rob Berendt

==================
A smart person learns from their mistakes,
but a wise person learns from OTHER peoples mistakes.



                    Ron@cpumms.com 

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                    07/31/2001 10:29 AM

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Leif,

<<Did you ever tell us the REASON for wanting this?

I don't think I ever stated it directly, but a couple of people on the list
(Al Mac? and Rob) did state it.

We have license agreements to use our software and as part of that we count
the number of users using the software. This works fine, but our customers
want to be able to sign onto multiple sessions on the same terminal and not
be counted more than once.  If they're using "dumb" terminals to accomplish
this, I don't know how to tell the difference between a user signing onto a
single terminal 5 times and a user signing onto 5 terminals.

Ron Hawkins

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