Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: What forum is best for a Tope and Node question?

On 16 Mar 2018, at 19:00, Niels Liisberg <nli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I am just so happy that "someone" takes the node.js call-back-hell
seriously. Thee async ... await - aaahhh. It was (is) a nightmare to build
"real" applications with node.js until we get that issue fixed... Aaron are
you again the guy to thank :)

fre. 16. mar. 2018 kl. 19.53 skrev Kelly Cookson <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:

Where do I find the info on Node.js v8.x for my IBM i admins? The latest I
can find with Google is v6.

Thanks,

Kelly Cookson
IT Project Leader
Dot Foods, Inc.
217-773-4486 ext. 12676
www.dotfoods.com<http://www.dotfoods.com>

From: WEB400 [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Aaron
Bartell
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:48 PM
To: Web Enabling the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries) <web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WEB400] What forum is best for a Tope and Node
question?

Right now, Node seems to me to be "The Emperor's New Clothes"

I'll chime in here because it's important to have a right perspective about
Node.js.

Tony Cairns says it best (paraphrasing): You're seeing how the sausage is
made when you watch open source happen in the open.

The Node.js community grew up with GitHub; everything happens in the open
and that makes some people uncomfortable. Node.js is being used in
production on IBM i. A lot of effort is being put towards taking all the
tooling (i.e. database adapters, itoolkit) to the next level.

And maybe more recent versions of node in PASE.

Node.js v8.x is available. Check out this tweet:
https://twitter.com/litmisteam/status/973624716601843713<
https://twitter.com/litmisteam/status/973624716601843713> This is a big
game changer.

hoping the open source community or vendors provide a friendlier

developer environment.

Kelly, could you expound on this one? By developer environment are you
talking server-side configuration or are you talking about editors like
VSCode? Or both?


Concerning client-side development with local connection to remote
database, there's potential with db2sock:
https://bitbucket.org/litmis/db2sock<https://bitbucket.org/litmis/db2sock>.
This would allow you use your local
Node.js.

Lots of shops are seeing the writing on the wall with RPG and are moving
away from it(n1) and selecting their next generation language. They could
go with the solid PHP, but then they'd be picking a language that's not on
the rise. They could go with Ruby (not extensively adopted on IBM i,
though very popular everywhere else). They could go with Python (another
solid general purpose language, and seeing more adoption on IBM i than
Ruby). Or they could go with the newer kid on the block that offers
something none of the others can, a single language for client and server.

Everyone should do their own risk assessment. See how others are adopting
by reading some case studies: https://foundation.nodejs.org/resources<
https://foundation.nodejs.org/resources>

n1 - Not looking to start a war, just conveying what people are hiring me
to do.

Aaron Bartell
IBM i hosting, starting at $157/month. litmis.com/spaces<
http://litmis.com/spaces>


On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Kelly Cookson <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:

I wouldn’t go so far as to say node is the emperor’s new clothes. But I

do

think IBM could do better by providing the IBM i community with
easier-to-use tools, better modules and better documentation. And maybe
more recent versions of node in PASE.

It seems like IBM is porting node to PASE, offering some basic tools, and
then hoping the open source community or vendors provide a friendlier
developer environment. Maybe not. But that’s the impression I get from my
experiences as a newbie to node.

Thanks,

Kelly Cookson
IT Project Leader
Dot Foods, Inc.
217-773-4486 ext. 12676
www.dotfoods.com<http://www.dotfoods.com><http://www.dotfoods.com<

http://www.dotfoods.com>>

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WEB400] What forum is best for a Tope and Node
question?

Right now, Node seems to me to be "The Emperor's New Clothes", but I'm
watching it because IBM and others are pushing it hard (and that's why I
did a proof-of-concept).



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Subject: Re: [WEB400] What forum is best for a Tope and Node question?

Oh, I didn't mean to dis node in general at all, I'm a big fan of it 😊
and for developing front end stuff it's great. It's really just the lack

of

vendor support for database drivers and the lack of a consistent

interface

to them which is frustrating if you come from JavaEE where JDBC drivers

are

consistent and well supported, but they've had years to get it right -

Node

is still a baby by comparison. As I say, given the chance, I'd migrate my
framework to Node, I much prefer to work in Typescript than Java and I
wouldn't need a Java EE host, but I would be migrating from a very stable
environment with cross platform support and right now I don't feel it's
worth the investment.

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