Re: What forum is best for a Tope and Node question?

I don't profess to know much about Profound's system, and I wouldn't argue that Node itself isn't ready for prime time, it's already used by some internet giants. I suspect if you are committed to writing a complete Node based application and webservice backend then I'm sure it's fine, especially if you are using one of the JSON based databases or targeting a specific database. However, we didn't want to have to write a whole bunch of webservices or any business logic in the middleware, the idea was to provide a simple way to expose code written in languages familiar to most of our developers as webservices (pretty much as you described). Using SPs as the mechanism to do this seemed like the obvious way because they provide a very consistent interface that is easily expressed in JSON, can be written in any language and can take advantage of a lot of the existing code. The issue I have is that the driver support is poor and not consistent as I mentioned.

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From: WEB400 <web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Kelly Cookson <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 16 March 2018 15:41
To: Web Enabling the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: Re: [WEB400] What forum is best for a Tope and Node question?

Profound Logic seems to think Node.JS is more than experimental. Granted, their Profound.JS Connector is a commercial product, so they have a financial incentive to say Node.JS is ready for prime-time. Yet, they have invested a lot of their modernization efforts into Node.JS. I think they really do see Node.JS as being ready for serious production use on IBM i.

I think the biggest obstacle for our shop is that we just plain lack Node.JS skills. Our .NET developers really don't have an interest in working with it. They just want Node.JS on the IBM i to magically feed them web services. Our IBM i developers are experts at CL and COBOL. Node.JS not in their world of interests, either.

I would love to get Node.JS up and running. We already have .NET developers asking for it. But I'm far, far too much of a newbie not to paint our shop into a corner-assuming I can get something production-ready at all.

Thanks,

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From: WEB400 [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Fathers
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:04 AM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WEB400] What forum is best for a Tope and Node question?

I'm afraid I can't help you much but my impression is that Node and IBM is somewhat experimental at the moment unfortunately and relational database support in Node is a little bit poor in general. As I mentioned before, my approach was to write a simple Java EE webservice running under Tomcat (TomEE) that allows you to execute a stored procedure via a POST request and return the result, That way all business logic is implemented behind a SP, either pure SQL or RPG or whatever, and there's no need to create webservice endpoints for everything, the API is always the same, just the SP you call is different. TomEE provides a robust framework for doing this which we have found very fast and reliable.

However, because all the front end stuff is Angular and written in Typescript I would really like to rewrite the Java part in Typescript and run it under Node, but so far I've found this not to be quite as easy as I thought, mainly because of patchy support for database drivers, as you're beginning to find out. The JDBC drivers are much more mature and consistent compared to what's available for Node, which often appear to be cobbled together hobby projects. For example, my framework above doesn't have to be used again an IBM i, it can point at any database for which there is a type 4 JDBC driver and the DB API is mostly the same, yet with Node, if I want to target even different flavours of DB2 the drivers are inconsistent, let alone trying to get at SQL Server, MySQL or whatever in a consistent manner. Then not all drivers return complete metadata, some drivers support database connection pooling, other not, some have "basic" support.... For now I've put the Node version o
f he framework on the back-burner but I'd be interested to hear about other people's experiences of Node, my goal is still to one day drop JavaEE.







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Sent: 16 March 2018 14:12
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Subject: Re: [WEB400] What forum is best for a Tope and Node question?

Thanks for the responses. I finally figured it out. I needed to install the windows build tools:
Npm install windows-build-tools

I must say I am underwhelmed by the node-jt400 module.

1. Not very much in the way of documentation. Google searches turned up a lot of pages with people saying they had the same problem, but offered no fixes or offered suggestions that did not fix the problem. No commercial support available as far as I know.

2. node-jt400 only hides Java from you as long as no errors occur; then you're digging into Java call stacks.

3. I was able to copy a small text file (29 characters) from one IFS directory to another IFS directory. But when I tried to copy a 5MB text file from one IFS directory to another IFS directory, the result was an empty file in the second directory. No error messages or call stack to dig into or anything.

4. The examples provided on node-jt400 npm page for querying a DB2 file and calling a program did not work for me. I have some kind of JDBC error going on with the DB2 query. I'm trying to figure out how to pass the library list for the program. Just passing the program name returns an object not found error despite my user IBM i being set. Passing library/program returns a "not the correct length" error. I'm going to try /QSYS.LIB/MYLIB.LIB/MYPROGRAM.PGM when I get the chance.

I am also a little concerns about scalability if I'm putting Java into the mix. In theory it shouldn't slow down the event loop too much. It passes off the IBM i connection and work to the worker threads. But does Java create overhead opening connections to the IBM i? And it took a second or two to get a return saying the pool was finally closed (i.e., the IFS file was copied) even though the file was only 29 characters long. So I wonder about scalability.

I'm investigating other options.

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WEB400] What forum is best for a JTOpen and Node question?

What errors are you getting?

Did you actually create a new Node project? You need to do this first using "npm init" inside the folder where your project files are/will be, this will create a "package.json" file for you. I would avoid using spaces in the the folder name, it can cause problems with some Node utilities. If your version of NPM is less than 5.0.0 you should also add "--save" when you install a dependency "npm install node-jt400 --save" (as of version 5 it saves by default), this will update your package.json with the new dependency.

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Hi,

I'm not sure what forum is best to ask this question.

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* The node-jt400 module allows JS scripts to access the JTOpen Java classes.

* The JTOpen Java classes allow remote access to IBM i resources.
So, a JS script running in node on Windows can call an IBM i COBOL program or update a DB2400 file using the JTOpen Java classes under the covers.

I know the install command (npm install node-jt400). But I'm getting errors.

I'm not sure WEB400 is the right place to get help on this. If not, can someone please recommend a better forum?

Thanks,

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